Great Standard of Sundering

This happened to me today... just want rules clarification.

I was playing with great standard of sundering, and my opponent had light magic. All good so far. But, I cast Glean Magic from my ToTz on double 3.

Now, because I can only choose light magic mean that I will suffer the negative benefits of Great Standard of Sundering?

My opponent through a fit because I could cast light spells without harmful effects

I argued that I wasn't casting from the lore of light, I was using the lore of Tzeentch and through it had access to light... eventually he gave up and let me have it.

I pretty sure I'm right, but its in the back of my mind annoying me.

You were definately right Zhambah.

Glean Magic is a Spell from the Daemon Lore of Tzeentch.
Which-ever spell you steal with a successfull casting of Glean Magic is simply cast automatically - you don't even use any Dice to cast that spell, and it cannot be dispelled.. So how the hell could you roll any double 1's 2's or 3's?

So you were definately and without question 100% correct.

He was arguing that my casting Glean magic (double 3) was affected by the banner of sundering because I picked a light spell...

Thanks Dreign, I'm glad to know I'm not going mad

I'm sorry to say your opponant was just flat out wrong and there's really no other way of putting it.

I know how it can be sometimes, though, when two guys are looking at each other across the gaming table and both wants to win just as much of course. One funny idea takes root in someone's brain and a lot of times it's more about 'being right' than actually accepting the truth.

Stuff like this happens. But no.. Glean Magic is a spell from the Daemon Lore of Tzeentch (and no other Lore what-so-ever) so there's just nothing to discuss.

Aren't you supose to choose the spell after you cast it successfully (and was not dispelled) ?

That would settle the debate on how you're not rolling on a light spell but actually on a Tzeentch spell.

@ Pedneault: Well, I Think you actually nominate which Wizard you want to steal the spell from when casting.. So if that Wizard has the Lore of Light you'll have no choice but to steal a Light-spell.

I wouldn't get into those details. The important thing is that Glean Magic is not a Lore of Light spell. That's where the discussion should end.

Not much to say that hasn't already been said, but yeah, you are casting a spell from the Lore of Tzeentch, which targets an enemy wizard, and has as part of it's effect that you may automatically cast a spell (which happens to be LoLight). The Lore isn't even determined when you cast the Tzeentch spell, and when casting the Light spell there is no need to roll dice, so the -2 and doubles miscasts cannot come into play.

Long story short: your opponent was flat wrong.

Yeah, I pointed him to this thread today and he quietly shut up and apologized.

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