Nurgle or Slaanesh... 2500pts

[Hulabell]

Hi guys! I have a game comming up soon against those pesky high elves and just wondered if you could give me some advice on taking Daemonettes or Plaguebearers. I am taking a level 3 GUO with Trappings and Vapours to take advantage of the ASL rule. I feel like taking the girls out for a spin due to the ASF rule, but I am not sure I can keep them up long enough to be worth it. I'm still quite inexperienced with deployment and positioning! Doh! Using Siren Song unexpectedly could cause some chaos. However Plaguebearers with a herald will mean a 2nd advantage of vapours and also slime trail! Decisions Decisions! I also think he will take advantage of the Light magic vs Daemons and feel that I should be taking the Sundering standard... is it really worth it at this level?

So any advice? Here's the list I have so far. It's already up to 2800+ I really need to cut it down. If I remove either Daemonettes or Plaguebearers at least I can invest a little more into the units. Last time I played 3k points I had no idea where to start lol.


GUO, lvl3, Vapours, Trappings = 610

HoK, FB, AoK, Standard of Sundering = 215
HoT, MoS (Light/Life/Metal), Spell Breaker = 165

HoS, Siren Song, Torment Blade = 120
OR HoN, Vapours, Slime Trail = 150

Bloodletters x29, C, M, S, Icon of Endless War = 403

Daemonettes x 19, C, M, S, Banner of Ecstacy = 283
OR Plaguebearers x 19, C, M, S, Icon of Eternal Virulence = 283

Furies x5 = 60

Nurglingsx3 = 105

Flamersx6 = 210

Fiend x 1 = 55
Fiend x 1 = 55
BloodCrusher x1 = 70
BloodCrusher x1 = 70

Thank you in advance!

[JonathanC]

I prefer Plaguebearers over Daemonettes, particularly if you are only going to take 19 of them as 19 Daemonettes could be weakened by bowfire quite easily. I'd also drop the firestorm blade from the HoK, as he's quite likely to get tied up by a character wearing Dragon armour.

I think the Sundering standard is definitely worth it if you think he'll be using Light magic. It's not bad even if he chooses another lore.

I'd be a bit worried about using single Fiends against them, I don't rate their chances of living long enough to attack, unless they're purely there for disruption or you're expecting bolt throwers.

[Colonel]

I would expect if he has lots of bow fire it will be directed at the bloodletters, especially if you bring plaguebearers. I would bring the daemonettes as they have more attacks and you don't need high strength to wound elves. Plaguebearers aren't going to give much more resilience against swordmasters or white lions.

I would suggest your Herald of Khorne refuse challenges and not declare any. You are likely better off just throwing bloodletter attacks at any characters anyhow.

flamers may be better off as 2x3 for shooting pesky eagles.. but your HoT is at more risk as he will take 1/4 of the missile fire hits.

Go light or life, not metal. Throw all your dice at Plaguewind on his biggest unit if you have it, if not Dwellers.

[Hulabell]

Hmm interesting answers, thanks. I'm still very undecided, but I think that's down to a lack of games. I keep thinking a Kipper set up with the torment allure, siren and lvl3 and despair banner , would be good as well. Or possibly a 'thirster...

I seem to want to use the GUO for the toughness tests as elves on average are T3 right? But the extra attacks, ASF bonuses, and Siren are really calling to me. Let alone the leadership tests that follow, but as an ex-woodie player I also know that they generally have high leadership.

It would only leave 2 core blocks at 29 each, Daemonettes and Bloodletters.

I know the answer is to just go play whatever I want ideally, I just like to read the advice from you guys! You really help out more than you know! I'm a very typical indecisive woman!

Also Furies or Hounds? I haven't had much luck with the hounds just yet. I think I'm doing it wrong lol!

[Colonel]

Assuming he has no war machines, furies will only stand in front of your units to absorb bow fire, then redirect units about to flank you, then die. If you are lucky you can use them to charge a unit that has already fled and make them flee again. I take 2x5 to tournaments but hate that they are ineffectual in combat.

[Hulabell]

I have this game tomorrow... and I still have no clue what to take lol!

I tried a slaanesh list out a couple of weeks ago against TK to practise. Using Despair instead of sundering hurt a lot. I think for 50pts its a good investment if it will keep my army alive just that tad longer! I also used a kipper for the first time. I liked it. I just wonder about his survivabilty against Helves.

In order to use a slaanesh based list, with the idea of taking down the leadership, it would be best to use Despair right? I can't use SC so the masque is out of the question. I am thinking of swapping the Kipper as I won't be able to get the support of leadership bombing.... but he will be able to stop the ASF... choices choices!

I think I'll take a GUO, level 2, Vapours and Balesword. I know he feilds dragons It might last a teency bit longer lol.

Here's the list I am sure I'll be using. Although I'm sure it's going to change at some point. 2 horde units doesn't seem enough



GUO, lvl 2, Balesword. Vapours -585

HoK, Fs Blade, AoK, BSB Sundering - 215 (this is actually a campaign char, she's gained an extra wound and the Daemonic robes!)
HoT, SB, MoS(beasts) -165
HoS, Siren Song, Torment Blade, Sporific Musk - 145

Bloodletters x 29, C, M, S, Endless War - 403
Daemonettes x 29 C, M, S, Ecstacy - 403
Furies x 5 - 60

Flamers x 6 (or 2x3)
Fiend
Fiend
Crusher x 3, C, S (Endless War)
- 505

Total: 2481

[zhambah]

Most things in the high elf book has 1 wound, so balesword is pretty ineffectual basically your tailoring a massive point sink to kill his one model. basically you want... like literally the best spell you can cast, is plaguewind, and hope to god he's got a few hordes. I would take a level 4 and probably vapours and pestilent mucus. also, I would want to take life, due to crushers and great unclean one. Like Colonel pointed out you don't need str to kill elves, just toughness to survive their onslaught... life does that better

Personally i would take 2 hordes of bloodletters, as i don't like nettes not re-rolling... mind you high elves wont get rerolls... i think one of the math wiz's could do some working out to see who would win the outcome

I love a player at my shop that used a horde of 60 spear elves, its like, hello nurglings... do i have enough models

anyway, the keeper of secrets and despair banner leadership banner wont work as well, high elves have high leadership. and if you know he will take light, its foolish not to take it

and wow, endless war on crushers, you trying for the first turn charge?

[Hulabell]

well I meant to put the Skull Totem lol ^^

Thanks Zhambah, it's helped clear up some doubts thats for sure. This will only be my 3rd game against another army, still have lots to learn! Muchly appreciated

[zhambah]

tbh, you can drop skull totem, its rarely worth it, and with a great unclean one, your going to be in range of your leadership roles most of the time.

and glad to help hulabell, the things you want to kill first are his wizards, high elves are very magic based, if you can get his wizards killed it normally spells game over

[Hulabell]

Not long finished my game... I won with a crushing victory! wohoo! It looked very close all game however.

I lost my furies and crushers early on. My GUO was down to 3 wounds by the end (pesky bolt throwers!) But he did take on a unit of SM and wiped them out in 2 turns. He then joined a horde of Daemonettes who were breaking down a unit of Phoenix Guard and wizard. slowly but surely!Only 1 of his guys remained at the end of the game lol.

Bloodletters wiped a unit of spearmen with their wizard! A lone fiend managed to make a small unit of dragon princes flee and she caught them I managed to get plaugewind off and create some nurglings... they were fun! His wizard miscast and survived twice! He managed to take out my bloodletters except the Herald. She lives again!

Daemonettes did better than I though, cancelling out his ASF helped greatly.

It was a fun game!

[brother_maynard]

well done hula! always good to hear about the skirts geting smashed lol. i agree that this is one of the matchups where daemonettes really shine, the ASF does so much to take the bite out of the HE elites. sounds like a great game!

[zhambah]

Good to hear, i'm glad to hear your butchered the elves, I don't suppose you took any pictures and are going to do a full battle report?

yeah the furies would of helped loads with the bolt throwers... but i guess your opponent knew that

[Hulabell]

Well I made the mistake of putting them in plain sight far too early in the game, so my fault really, same for the crushers!


Unfortunately no pics ... maybe next time I will remember lol. As for a full battle report... well. My short-term memory is dreadful and unfortunately it's really not me just saying that lol. I can't even walk 5mins to the shop before forgetting everything I needed ^^ I wouldn't be able to write a full report unless I was the ref! I get far too excited about everything and don't make notes.

Perhaps i'll try next time

[zhambah]

Lol, fair do's well it seems like you had a great time, and thats the main thing.

Is there anything you would change out of the list?

[Hulabell]

Hmm... maybe drop back down to 2 crushers and field them seperately to back up fiends. Not sure about the Furies, first time I had tried them, so might be worth it still. Especially as they are cheap. Maybe trappings for the GUO, but I would rather have spent those points for it in a 3k game rather than just the 2500 =)

I wonder how well it would have worked with 2 Daemonette hordes though. Something to try in the future!