Pestilent mucus.

Ok I guess this question have come up before, but I havenīt found the answer.
Is It only possible to kill models In base to base with this gift or do they step up? And how does this gift interact with Miasma of pestilence?

I think you will find the answers you're looking for in the official Daemons of Chaos Errata/FAQ.

- Pestilent Mucus effects the models in base contact when the wounds are dealt to the Daemon.

- Miasma of Pestilence lowers their Toughness to 1 (including models that have just stepped up).

Thanks, strange that I havenīt noticed that in the FAQ before.

FAQ also states that Mucus T rolls are done at the end of combat. So only the models in base cantact with you takes the T tests. So, if four models are in base contact with you and you lost 2 wounds that CC phase then each one of those 4 models would take 2 T tests.

However, remember that no more than 4 models can die even if more than 4 T tests are failed.

And of course, it counts towards CR.

-Tremendous

Are you sure Tremendous? I thought wounds from CR counted as well.

Wounds suffered from Instability generate those T-tests as well..

I believe all the wounds caused by T-checks prior to resolving combat resolution count toward CR - it's the only interpretation that makes sense.. Wounds suffered from T-checks generated from failed Instability would become very confusing indeed if you counted them for CR retroactively. haha

My understanding Is wounds during combat counts against combat res. and wounds suffered due to failed instability forces a new set of toughnesstests.

interesting, we interpret the FAQ's statement "at the end of the close combat phase" to mean that you do not take T tests until the combat and all relevant break tests/flee rolls have been resolved. literally at the end of the CC phase, the mucus T tests are the last things that happen. this means that they are not counting wounds toward CR as when CR is being tallied, they haven't happened yet.

But doesn't the FAQ explicitly answer 'Yes' to the very question whether or not wounds suffered from Instability triggers the Mucus?

I don't know.. I never use that Gift. Don't like Gifts that depend on things 'going wrong'.

yeah of course, but you might be confused on what i'm saying though since that really doesn't change the way we play it. i'll try to clarify:

enter close combat phase

GUO vs White Lions

1) lions attack GUO and do 4 wounds.

2) GUO hits back and does 7 wounds

3) resolve combat- lions win by 1 and GUO takes instability test. he fails by one and takes a further wound for a total of 5.

4) at the end of the phase (per the FAQ!), the mucus T tests are caused. thats 5 tests per WL in base contact (likely resulting in 4 more dead).

I understand what you mean but Itīs almost worthless If It works like that and It also contradicts the wording In the book.

I wouldn't put it as harshly as Tor, but I think the intent of the Gift is that you resolve the T-tests at the very instance they occur.

So in your example, Maynard, I think the White Lions would first take 4 T-checks each as they hit the Daemon, and then after Instability is resolved they take another round of 1 hit each.

Your way of playing it is a simplification that I can understand though. I mean.. It's really a lot simpler to "gather up" all the wounds from a given Combat Phase and resolve them once and for all.

since the book doesn't specify that the tests are taken immediately, no it does not contradict the book. furthermore, the FAQ says the tests are taken at the end of the phase, pretty specific and no contradiction.

its very possible that the intent is so, however, as i said above, the FAQ is very specific that the tests are caused at the end of the phase, not immediately.

right, but since the book does not specify exactly when the tests are taken, but the FAQ does, we have to play by the FAQ. thats the whole point of having them, to remove ambiguity.

not only is it simpler, its RAW i see your points guys, but the simple fact of the matter is, the FAQ says at the end of the phase. the end of the CC phase is after all combats have been resolved, all break tests taken, and all flee/pursuit rolls made and resolved. thats when mucus tests take place per the FAQ.

and contrary to tor's assertion that playing the gift this way makes it "useless," even playing it this way, it is one of my favorite gifts on the GUO and my current 2500 build (level 4, mucus, stream) has me leaving the balesword by the wayside if i'm 100% honest.

Oh yeah you're right Maynard. THe FAQ says at the end of the phase.. There's no way around that.

So yeah, it's RAW all right.. Albeit contradictive since it's supposed to count toward CR as well as being resolved after CR is calculated.. (?)

Ok, useless Is an overstatement. But If you would take the test right away It would be Insanely good. Iīm dropping my Balecrutch to, going down the lvl 4 route with Papa now.