People keep asking about new Bloodletters?, Here the scoop people!

Bloodletters are going to be 12 points each. There only change in stats are: 5M and 7LD. But they also going to have killing blow but have lost frenzy. Models are also going to be plastic. GoC the KING of inside information on the NEW Daemons of Chaos! [now remember to say thank you]




GoC

do they have 1 or 2 attacks on their profile?

Thanks General of Chaos

Thank you GoC.

US WD that has the Vampire Counts on the cover also states plastic for the models.

1A & they lost frenzy!



GoC

Muahaha! Daemonettes to battle!

Damn thats crappy!!!!! well I guess I'm not going infantry heavy with the new book! Although the new vampires can use ward saves against crumbling so maybe we can too.

Thought about this since i posted this and have changed my mind see below!

KB is sweet, Movement 5 is handy, but only 1 Attack? hmmm, perhaps there will be some magic banners or items to help them out in the attack area.

Seems so wrong for them to only have one attack.

So much for the increse in toughness rumour, seems they are still gonna get hammered by shooting.

What of the light armour they used to have, gone or staying?

Thanks GoC, for the somewhat, dissheartening info

Yeah ...this is NOT really great news - well...the price drop is nice...but with only 1-Attack...they lose out to stuff like the new Grave Guard, etc. in the Vampire book. Why are the "supposedly toughest of the Lesser Daemons" when it comes to combat not really all that well-represented in that department ?

There must be more than just "Killing Blow" and Move-5...AND a Leadership DROP (-2 points from SOC, -1 point from HOC) ! ?

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Essentially...what GoC is saying is they will be:

WS-5, BS-0, STR-5, TOUGH-3, INIT-4, ATTACKS-1, LDRSHP-7, MOVE-5

They will get (assuming he means the EXACT same as before except for the three things he mentioned):

Light Armor (6+ Save / or they might call it Scaly Skin as the new models have some scaly parts like lizards on their shoulders, arms, etc), 5+ Ward Save.

Special Abilities: Killing Blow

Cost: 12-Points

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Would this seem reasonable for 12-points ? The current ones WERE over-costed at 16...but they DID have those 2-STR-5 attacks, at least as long as they were Frenzied. Not being baited is a huge plus...but the "no Toughness 4" and "only 1-attack", PLUS a Leadership Drop... and the only REAL thing they get as a "bonus" is Move-5 (not THAT big of a deal), and Killing Blow ?

Doesn't seem that impressive . . . .


Also...GoC said the new Horrors were 12-pts.... why would the Bloodletters of Khorne be the exact same cost as those weedy little things ?

(are we to assume that 12-pts is the "magic number" for all Lesser Daemons now?)

Very VERY dissapointing.

how the hell do 'Nettes get 2 attacks when they are ment to be the pleasure and seduction side of human nature when the GOD OF WARs troops get trumped by a bunch of harlots with claws for arms?

The increased move is good but the loss of an attack (you always assumed they would get a frenzy charge off atleast once for 3 attacks per) and have to put up with the Frenzy baiting that could happen. Now they are like glass cannons, once they hit combat they get 2 strength 5 hits, from then on even Orcs get more attacks (IIRC) for cheaper.

Granted Killing Blow would be nice but with high strength is it really worth it as you would be hitting rank and file 99% of the time anyways....

now the leadership drop...WTH is with that? Humans have more drive to stay in a fight than the daemons they spawn? Come on. Loosing combat by 3 (now a high possibility due to low attacks) would result is a test at 4 LD. This would pretty much guarantee alot of lost models, expensive models at that, 12 per isn't that cheap when you can loose up to 8 from a botched LD check.

I find this so dissapointing it's not funny...and tyo think they made these guys plastic in hopes of selling more of them, with these rules compared to the current ones, they are very much sub par.

Wait who said this?

In 5th ed for example Daemonettes were superior to Bloodletters as far as i can remember. I mean they pumped out maybe 1 less attack, but with a higher weapon skill and initiative and without needing to worry about frenzy. Sure they didn't have the D3 wound hellblades but generally they weren't fighting multi wound monsters anyway. I always felt they were the strongest of the Lesser Daemons from a combat perspective. At least in that edition. Although no doubt the power shifts from edition to edition (much like the power of the Gods in background funnily enough ). Though they probably aim to make them all kinda equal strength wise.

Well Daemonettes as ive said earlier always used to be pretty much just as good combat wise compared to the Blood Letter. 5th ed as an example. Daemonettes were WS 6, Bloodletters WS 5.
Frenzy included i think the Bloodletters had 1 more attack and they caused D3 Wounds. But in a straight up fight between the two i know who i would put my money on.

6th ed changed that, but the rumour is Daemonettes will be down to S3... so yes you have less attacks and initiative but better strength and weapon skill. It kinda averages out with them still being overall better in combat than daemonettes this edition.

if you go by the averages with the strength and such, then the Net would still win out on law of averages getting more hits meaning more chances to wound. after all they will be hitting toughness 3-4 most of the time anyways.

The only way the Letter gets the upperhand as I see it is armor save mod of -2 rather than the (supposed AP) of the Nets which may be -1 for ability that I cannot remember right now.

I love my Nets and have about 20 sitting on my desk right now, and have just bought 7 Letters and 2 juggers for conversions, so I may come over a tad biased and a little peeved.

Wait think about it.

Daemonettes, 2 attacks hitting on 4+ wounding on 4+ (Assuming the S3 is accurate)

Bloodletter, 1 attack hitting on 3+ wounding on 2+


The Daemonette benefits from striking first, but i wouldn't say there entirely superior to the Bloodletter looking at that. Pretty close i would say with perhaps a slight advantage to the Bloodletter. Who would also stand a better chance against more heavily armoured troops.

Thought of an example of 18 Bloodletters/Daemonettes attacking (don't ask me why it just seemed simplest to me)

18 Bloodletters would hit 12 times out of 18 and wound 10

18 Daemonettes would hit 18 times out of 36 and wound 9

Of course the Daemonettes would generally attack first (when haven't they?). Pretty even i would say against each other.

That is true, but the 'Letters are now more prone to loosing models if they loose combat due to lower Leadership stats.

EDIT:

Just did some demo tests with the new letters stats and they seem to be good witht eh killing blow (insta-killed a chaos lord several times among other things...a nasty unit even though i was using 12 of the buggers and only 2-4 survived to land the blow)

i may in the end keep out osme hope. The ability would be good to hunt multi-wound US 2 or less units. Guess those guys were ot a wasted effort after all

Movement 5 is HUGE for them. They move faster than the rest of the lesser demons, except for slaanesh, so they can guard your other units better. My Khorne DL worked in waves: Wave 1: BT and exalted, wave 2: crushers, wave 3: letters and chariot(s). Now they do that better without being frenzied. Wave 1: Greater demon and screamers, Wave 2: crushers, wave 3: letters/nettes, wave 4: the other lesser demons.

well lets compare them to high elf sword masters
sword masters are 15 points disrember real cost but i know there not less than that
2 attacks asf
ws6
same str same t
+5 armour save

bloodletters 12 points
1 attack
eternal hatred
ws5
same str same t
killing blow
FEAR your forgeting this one
Stuborn with crumble(also new vampires according to wd get to use ward save vs. this lets hope daemons do too)
+5 ward save
Im sure they will be able to have a nice juicy banner
so for 240 points you get 20 lets say command is same as cost of model
put just a banner in them for a total of 252 you get +4 comabt res and 5 rerollable ws 5 str 5 killing blow attacks with FEAR!!!!!!

or
3 x 6 formation = 216 points with standard (228)
+3 combat res decent amount of outnumber for fear
6 ws 5 rellrolable str 5 killing blow with fear
+5 ward so stuborn with crumble
sounds like a deal to me.....

Would put this up against any infantry in the game for its points cost... Thing is yes you may lose combat the first round but you stick....



seems like they are well balanced if you put them against some races undercosted if you put them against lets say dark elf,empire,black orcs,chaos warriors,etc.I think there fine and cheap for what they do can anyone say msu bloodletters or big blocks for cr now