I'm sure many of us have heard about some potential upcoming Daemon models but I'm surprised it hasn't generated any discussion here yet, so I thought I would start this thread and see what happens. ;)

Anyway, this is what I have seen on Warseer. Its mostly been buried away in the 40k section and with everyone discussing 6th ed 40k, digital codexes, flyers, Chaos Space Marines and Dark Angels the Daemon stuff has been pretty much buried away and forgotten about. The release timeframe seems to be somewhere between August and October, presumably to coincide with either the 40k boxed game or Codex: Chaos Space Marines.

Plaguebearers (plastic) - 10 to a box(?), probably £18
Furies (plastic) - 5 to a box, maybe £15.50
The Blue Scribes (finecast)
Herald of Nurgle (finecast) - I'm surprised this isn't plastic, but then they haven't done plastic 40k characters yet and it would need bases for both systems.
POSSIBLY Screamers (not sure if these will be new models or current ones in finecast - could be new sculpts in finecast as they seem an odd choice for a plastic kit)

Also, apparently plastic Greater Daemons for 2013, rumored to include parts to make Skarbrand, Ku'Gath, etc.

As with all rumors, I'll only completely believe it when I see it, but the Plaguebearers at least seem almost a given now. Personally, I'd also be really interested in seeing how the Blue Scribes turn out as they could be a fantastic looking model if done right. :)

UPDATE
OK, confirmed new kits are:
Plaguebearers (plastic, 10 per box)
Flamers (plastic, 3 per box)
Screamers (plastic, 3 per box)
Nurglings (plastic, 3 per box)
Slaanesh Chariot/Hellflayer (plastic)
Slaanesh Exalted Chariot/Hellflayer (plastic, limited release)
The Blue Scribes (finecast)

In addition, the Soul Grinder is going to be re-packaged to include a Terrorghiest-sized plastic base so it can be used in WFB.

As most of you have heard by now, many of the units getting new models are getting a rules update. Nurglings, Plaguebearers and The Blue Scribes are staying the same it seems, but here is a summary of what I know about the rest:

Flamers: Strength reduced to 4, no longer get to ignore the multiple shots penalty when shooting. Cost increased to 40pts each. Moved to Special section. Gain a new rule called Warpflame. When Flamers cause a wound from their shooting attacks roll a D6. On a 6 the unit takes an additional D3 wounds with no save, on a 1 the unit gains Regeneration (6+) for the rest of the game (or +1 regen if they have it already). Pyrocaster is now 10pts.

Screamers: Strength and Toughness incresed to 4, Wounds to 2 and Attacks to 3! Cost increased to 40pts each. Slash attack changed to D3 S4 attacks per Screamer that hit on a 4+. Gain new rule - Lamprey Bite. Bite gives their close combat attacks Mutliple Wounds (D3) against Large Targets.

Soul Grinder: Stats (I think) are: M8, WS3, BS3, S6, T7, W6, I3, A4, Ld7. Has a 4+ armour save and causes Terror. 250pts. Can use its mechanical claw to grab a single model. If successful all other attacks against that model hit automatically. Has a grapeshot-type shooting attack, and can be upgraded with other shooting attacks (one of which is like a Stone thrower) for at least 50pts each. Can move and shoot its big guns. Also has an upgrade called Daemonbane Claw for 10pts (this might be the special claw attack mentioned above).

Seeker Chariot: Can be taken as a Rare(?) choice now as well as a Herald mount. Strength reduced to 4 and armour save to 6+, but now has scythes I think.

Exalted Chariot: Also a Rare choice or Herald mount. Similar to Seeker Chariot but twice as many crew and Steeds pulling it, along with an 'Exalted Alluress' super-champion. Also has 8 wounds. Costs 190pts as a Herald mount and presumably the same as a Rare choice. The Exalted Alluress has a special rule that grants her an extra attack in combat for each wound caused by the impact hits.

Hellflayer: A bit like the Seeker Chariot but inflicts 2D6+1 impact hits (I think).

Definitely looking forward to the Plaguebearers, as I've been holding off adding any to my army so far. And they really needed to update the Furies as well, current models are just attrocious! I'm also going to hoep for the Screamers in Finecast, as I love the sculpts, but I refuse to add metal to this army.

Plastic Greaters would be quite interesting indeed, but they don't seem to be the kind of kit that GW would normally do in plastic. Haivng options on them would be quite nice though.

A year or so ago I would have agreed about the plastic Greater Daemons, but having seen all the plastic monsters and riders that came out for Storm of Magic last year - along with the plastic Tyranid Hive Tyrant and Empire Griffon this year - its starting to look more likely than ever.

I heard about these awhile ago, and really excited about plastic Greater Daemons (drooooool).

I'm starting my daemon army from scratch and had a choice between all OOP figs or all plastic. I have to tell ya, the decision was tough but the lure of a light plastic/finecast army was just too strong.

Can't wait to see what they do with plastic Plaguebearers.

Plastic is my drug :D not a huge fan of finecast but I do enjoy having a very light feel army. Plaguebearers in plastic would be fun, probably will give me the motivation to take some. Also, if that rumor of plastic Greater Daemons is true, I am holding off on my buy of the bloodthirster.

Great job compiling all those relevant rumours from the avalanche stuff being discussed at Warseer. I've been trying to keep an eye of those threads as well, but I hadn't caught half of the stuff you list here JonathanC.

Plastic PBs is something I've been wanting for a long time. It amazes me that Screamers haven't gone Finecast already - out of all possible models they arguably need it like few others.. Big heavy pieces of metal stuck on a fragile flyer-pin.. *meh* One almost don't dare fielding them for fear of them breaking as things are now.

The other things mentioned are just groovy. I'd probably pass on Furies though because ~40 is just 'enough' even for me.. But the rest is definately stuff I'd be all over!

Let's hope it's all true.
Plastic plaguebearers have been overdue for a while, I want a unit of at least 30 and I'm much happier with the idea of paying £45 for them than the £82 it will cost me now.
Plastic GD will be very nice too judging by the quality of the recent plastic kits.

Having the gaps in the range filled will be great. Some missing stuff is fun/easy to make (I'm thinking of my skaven war litter here rather than any particular daemon stuff) but making a good special character is well beyond my skill.
Plus you can run into the issue that people can complain "thats not Skarbrand, it's just a bloodthirster".

i really hope they don't take plastic GD's in the WoW-esque direction of the daemon prince model, that thing is hideous.

Hideous? I personally thought it was a pretty good model. Plus you can't really judge the GD models based on that. That was back when 7th existed. They have improved greatly since then. They have had amazing plastics, for both fantasy and 40k this year, so I do indeed hope that they will continue this tread of awesome.

Are FoS plastic yet?

Fiends of Slaanesh?
Nope. Still metal.
And I'd assume if they're converted they'd be made into Finecast, although plastic should work just as well.
Same goes for Screamers, while on this subject: If they are converted I'd prefer them in plastic, but all old models that have gotten redone have gone to FineCast so I'm not having too high hopes. :)

Yeah, I definitely wouldn't mind seeing Fiends in Finecast either. Plastic is probably pretty unrealistic, although it would be awesome!

Great! I'm hungering for some new models any time!

Multi-part GD would be nice too. I'd like to see how variations would come to life on existing GW models instead of the (great) figures of other ranges.

Do we have a guesstimate as to when any of the new stuff will be coming out? 3Q? 4Q?

Im saying end of 3Q or beginning of 4Q. They have to find a place to squeeze it in between the 6th ed release up to CSM release and WoC release.

i had read on warseer that plaguebearers were 5 to a box instead of 10, just like the furies, which of course is just dumb if true, but im very keen on new giant plastic greater daemons, i fully expect them to be on the oval flyer base now

From a tactical point of view: I hope they don't mount the D's on the new large monsters bases :(

I don't think it would particularly matter :0 I've seen people play with the FW models and say this is my keeper or lord of change.

I agree with God of War..
Not for any tactical reason, but simply from an aesthethic Point of view.

So far they've made the Arachnarok and those big Ogre beasts that were 'justified' on those huge bases.. But they are never going to make Greater Daemons that 'fill out' that base footprint so they should just leave them alone - and if they do make GDs that justify bases of that size then they'll be waaay too big for the stats they are likely to get.. so it becomes circular and either way I wouldn't buy them.

Painting the Zombie Dragon model right now and I made a 75x75mm base for it because there's just no way I'm gonna mount that thing on the base included in the box - it just looks bad.

Easy for me, of course, since I only play friendly games.. Just sayin'..

I heard this rumour as well, and if true, really makes me angry.

The rumor I saw had PB's listed as 5 per box also, which is why I put a question mark by the numbers in my first post, but like most of the other people on Warseer who saw it I think it was just a mistake on the poster's part and they will be 10 - I just can't see why it would be any different, unless they turn out to be finecast rather than plastic after all.

As for the Greater Daemon base size, I could see them going up to chariot bases for WFB (since most new monsters are) but I think the Arachnarok-sized base is unlikely for all but the GUO.

As for the release date, I don't think they'll be the main focus of the month whenever they come out this year so it could be anytime between now and Christmas as far as I'm concerned. The dates I put in my first post are just the most likely ones in my opinion.

The only way they'd put 5 in a box would be if they just go the finecast route but I can't see them NOT making plastic PBs.

Well, ok, it is GW and that is always a possibility for them to do something as stupid as that. <_<

I think you're right about that Legion.. 5-in-a-box simply means they remake the current metals into FineCast. If they make a Plastic Kit it'll be 10 models per box.

... lest all logic and reason begin to dissolve...

Oh please Nurgle not finecast.
I have a horrid dread now that they will be. They seem very keen on recasting the metals as finecast.

It's really their loss (as much as ours) if they do.
From a personal Point of view:
If the Plaguebearers are remade in a 10-model plastic kit I'll definately buy at least 60 models.
If the current line is simply upgraded to FineCast I'll definately not purchase a single model - in fact, I would probably make sure to stock up on 'oop' metal PB's if not discarding the notion of adding more Nurgle Core to my Collection all together.

And I've been through the same thing with Dark Elves lately. I would have spent litterally hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars on Dark Elf models had WitchElves/Executioners (etcetera) been remade into multipart plastic kits. Guess how many of the new FineCast models I'll buy - that's right: Not a single one. And the ones I am buying are metal and second hand.

The current PBs are all right as far as models go though. It's a fifty-fifty chance I'd say.

Pardon the question - have they Finecast anything other than characters? Seems to me, as a (now) casual store shopper that the only Finecast are characters (heros, lords) as opposed to plastic units. Am I wrong?

Actually, there are a number of units that are finecast. I don't know which exactly but like DaemonReign said, the DE specials that were metal are all finecast now.

Yeah, they've been putting non-character units into finecast for a while now. One of the first finecast releases last year was TK Ushabti, for example. Flamers have also been finecast-only for ages. With the Space Marine Elites last month and Dark Elf special units this month finecast infantry look like they are going to become more commonplace. <_<

Anyway, I only mentioned Plaguebearers going finecast as it was the only logical reason I could think of for them being 5 to a box, but given the reliability of the person who originally posted there would be plastic Plaguebearers this year I am 99.99999% certain they will be plastic and 10 to a box just like our other infantry. :)

As a little update somone posted a list of all the releases for next month and apart from 40k 6th edition rulebook, templates, etc there were only 2 Necron characters as new releases and a lot of stuff converting to finecast (Tau, Grey Knights and Dark Eldar). No hint of WFB releases at all. :(

So it looks like no Daemons in July, but looking on another site it seems August is a bit more likely. Still far from set in stone, but if the CSM codex is released that month it would make sense to do the Daemons too. Also, going by the last couple of months it seems they are finally converting all metals to finecast ( <_< ) at the rate of 3 armies per month, alternating between systems. August should see a couple of WFB armies change over and if the new Daemon models are out that month I imagine our metals will go at the same time.

Personally, I'm thinking of getting a Kairos model while he's still in metal as its one of the few I don't have yet.....

So, has anyone else heard about the "more restricted" cult options in the new CSM book? Apparently any marked units not of the Generals will be classified as Elites!?

So Bezerkers will be core in any army that has a Khornate General...

Could this be a sign of the "Hard Counter" we all feared!?

That aside, who isn't pumped for some new stuff to hit the table!? Oh god, my wife should be around hatching time by then... Diapers - New GD kits, formula -
Plague bearers... Choices, choices...

Ah, the hard choices in life! :lol:

I haven't really been following the CSM rumours much but I'll be very interested to see what their next Codex is like. Hopefully it'll be more interesting than the current one......

Looking at the inside back cover of the current WD CSM and Daemons are featured quite prominently, which could be a hint that they are what's coming out in August. Also, a Birdy on Warseer said they were coming out that month, so it seems new Daemon models may be just 5 weeks away!!! :D

just put my 2 cents in here

I have heard from a fairly reliable source that daemon's new models, including all nurgle models, will be redone come the end of august

as for the new CSM stuff, I've heard from a different source, that they will be coming in november. This was from a manager at gw... he let slip by accident. I don't know for sure if its accurate but i believe it to be so.

the thing that i want to know, is will they remake some of the models that need it, i've heard that the much needed greater daemons will be made (to answer daemonreign the will be mounted on a much larger base, this isnt a bad thing for great unclean one with pestilent mucus) but what i really want to know is if fiends of slaanesh models will be redone... because, in my opinion, they are needed more than the greater daemons.

One word for why I don't believe in CSM being in November...Hobbit.

*sigh* ( :P )

Well we'll see what they turn out like. I suspect bigger base footprint too. Hoping JonathanC is on the Money with 'chariot-bases' because the only alternative is 100x120 .. which is fine if they're as big as Forgeworld's GDs but I just don't see that happening.

Tell you the truth I care not so much personally. Got my Lord choices maxed out lest I want to push my grand army to 40k - GW's just gonna have to impress me quite a bit for me to get more GDs all willy-nilly. B)

Highly interesting tidbit from that storemanager!
Nurglings, Plaguebearers, Beasts of Nurgle.. All old, all metal, none converted to FineCast. So yeah that sounds pretty damn reasonable. Here's to hoping it turns out true!

I hope so too. But it is GW we're talking about. It violates everything they stand for to give back to the consumer. If they hope for finecast to be a roaring success, they are going to have to make more models into that medium to necessitate more purchases.

in all honesty, i'm expecting some finecast, some plastic

If I was to guess, which appearantly I'm doing, I'd say:
PlagueBearers - plastic 10 in a box.. Or somebody should be shot.
Nurglings - Turned to FineCast, I'd be very very very surpriced if they are redone completely.
Beasts of Nurgle - Possibly made into a Plastic Kit, if someone in the studio has a sudden overwhelming moment of inspiration.. but honestly I would guess FineCastification here as well. :)

I'm predicting remakes of the Greater Daemons but still in Finecast. I just can't see them releasing *4* massive plastic kits for the same army if it isn't corresponding with a new book, and the models aren't similar enough to combine into overlap kits, as has been the trend.

I could see new monsters for each god, with a combined GD/monster kit though...hmm.

Repeatedly and w/ a large caliber gun.

I think the current model is really good looking. I wouldn't mind seeing it go Finecast. And hopefully GW will drop their points by about 40 for the next book!