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Posted by: Threehorn Jul 3 2008, 07:58 AM
Hi guys... I know this pains me to say this to you guys but I got some very very bad news to you guys to give. Land Before Time Office been closed and packed. Yes you hear me, Universal did what we hoped they wouldn't do, the young hot shot leaders of Universal has closed down the office at NBC Universal.

Which means the TV Series and LBT 13 was the last we going to see... No special 20th year birthday surprise from Land Before Time...

13 is always been a unlucky number and that where it hit us all...

Damn those Universal hotshots... they think they know best and thinking that no one cares about Land Before Time any more... It a real shame to speak of this dreadful news...

But Land Before Time will stay in the hearts of all those that love Land Before Time, writing stories, RPGing, Artwork and many many other things we can do to keep Land Before Time alive even there will be no new films for a long time to come


Posted by: Spike_of_the_Valley Jul 3 2008, 08:22 AM
Definitely not the news I wanted to hear before I went to bed. Before everyone panics, though, let's just work through any other possible explanations. Is it possibly just reorganisation? You know, moving offices, changing staff, stuff like that?

Yeah, I'm probably clutching at straws, but I think I have to, for the sake of my remaining sanity.

Posted by: Threehorn Jul 3 2008, 08:29 AM
It possible they relocated and not told Aria's mum where they relocated or anyone else for that matter. Aria the voice actor of Ducky. So I got this news for her mum.

There is alot of other possible reasons, a break period to recollect thoughts and give Land Before Time a breather cause they have been bring out LBT out since 1996, that 12 movies in 12 years on top of that LBT TV Series, so many might need the time to get recharged and then come back again later date.

So closing the office down for now would be a logical step to recharge the brain cells and come up with new stuff for Land before Time in the furture. Plus why have a whole floor powered up when there no one there for the moment. so that could the reason for the office to be closed.

Posted by: Kor Jul 3 2008, 09:19 AM
It depends also if the same team doing the tv series is doing the movies. I'm sure the lbt office does not sit around doing nothing between movies. I know some series close down things. The classic dr who did this during the period before they would start the new season. This is how one version of the tardis interior during the 4th doctor's era got damaged and was used for 1 season only. Work on one season had finished and there was a time before the next season would have work on it started so they closed down things.

They may be going to a period of haitus where the offices are not needed, either because the new season has not had work started on it, and or it may be between movies as well.

Posted by: Rat_lady7 Jul 3 2008, 09:25 AM
Just curious, where did you find this out? Was it on an article? Or did Aria or someone from the LBT team tell you?

Posted by: pokeplayer984 Jul 3 2008, 09:34 AM
A temporary stop of LBT is okay with me, but it being permanent? I dread the thought.

Yet, this gives me EVERY reason to go along with those vids of mine. It's time to show those egotistic dunderheads (I'm sorry, I just can't say anything even close to nice about them at this point.) at the head of Universal just HOW much it is loved.

The LBT-hating president thinks he knows all? Time to prove him wrong. biggrin.gif

I just hope the next LBT TV Series DVD comes out on August 26th as scheduled.

I knew something like this was going to happen. I warned you all with the sudden removal of the LBT sequels from store shelves, but you only took it as me going crazy. I knew something bad was coming. I just knew it. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Spartanguy88 Jul 3 2008, 09:36 AM
Yeah, I was just about to ask the same thing.

But also, are you sure they're really closing down? Because I just Googled those exact words and I couldn't come up with anything.

Posted by: f-22 "raptor" ace Jul 3 2008, 10:04 AM
They'd better just be moving the office

Posted by: Malte279 Jul 3 2008, 10:05 AM
There has been a "time gap" between the release of LBT 6 and 7. I don't know if a situation similar to the current one did occur before.
If indeed these news mean that there will be no more from the land before time we all knew however that this day would come.
But what are the effects of these news on us?
Will we cease to be interested in LBT? Will we stop writing fanfictions? Will we stop drawing or painting LBT images? Will we stop singing? Will we stop writing here? Will we stop discussing LBT? Will we stop having fun here?
I can only speak for myself, but I'm quite convinced that my opinion is that of many when I say: "NO WAY! Let's get back to business!"

Posted by: Rat_lady7 Jul 3 2008, 10:11 AM
QUOTE (Malte279 @ Jul 3 2008, 07:05 AM)
"NO WAY! Let's get back to business!"

You got that right! in-yes.gif

Oh...Mumbling just pointed out that he already answered my question. I guess it just wasn't clear to me completely? doh1.gif

Posted by: Mumbling Jul 3 2008, 10:20 AM
aww.. such a pain.. I hoped this wouldn't happen.. But we will still be here doing the things we used to do, as malte said. We'll keep lbt alive, even if the studio's not here anymore.

Btw Malte.. You still haven't seen lbt 13? If you could save it for next year I'll come and watch together with ya happy.gif

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Just curious, where did you find this out? Was it on an article? Or did Aria or someone from the LBT team tell you?


I think he already answered that

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It possible they relocated and not told Aria's mum where they relocated or anyone else for that matter. Aria the voice actor of Ducky. So I got this news for her mum.

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 3 2008, 10:49 AM
*wants to tear the moon from the sky*
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

*NeptuneNavigator2001 bows out silently*
Heh... How ironic... 800 posts, heh... sad.gif Rest, In, Peace... *Tombstone Piledriver on the steel steps* *bell tolls* ...I've got to stop watching clips of WWE's Undertaker... dino_tongue.gif

Posted by: Rat_lady7 Jul 3 2008, 10:57 AM
QUOTE (Mumbling @ Jul 3 2008, 07:20 AM)
QUOTE
Just curious, where did you find this out? Was it on an article? Or did Aria or someone from the LBT team tell you?


I think he already answered that

QUOTE
It possible they relocated and not told Aria's mum where they relocated or anyone else for that matter. Aria the voice actor of Ducky. So I got this news for her mum.

Oh...I guess when I read it...it wasn't too clear to me...that happens to me a lot dino_tongue.gif doh1.gif

Posted by: Malte279 Jul 3 2008, 11:00 AM
^ No way, I don't think we are going to let it rest! sleep.gif biggrin.gif (we lack a smiley of grim but confident determination!)
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Btw Malte.. You still haven't seen lbt 13? If you could save it for next year I'll come and watch together with ya
I haven't watched it yet. I might perhaps watch it with Patrick as there is some chance that we will meet in not too far a time, but either way we could still watch it together when we meet in-yes.gif
You sound like there is some good prospect that we can meet next year? Are you going to travel? smile.gif

Posted by: action9000 Jul 3 2008, 11:07 AM
While I can't say this totally surprises me, it's very unfortunate indeed... sad.gif

LBT 13..what a bad note to end on...LBT 10 would have made significantly more sense. LBT 13 just...doesn't feel like anything that could closely resemble an ending, with the exception of the closing narration using the words "land before time" for the first time.

Though I will admit, I think I'd prefer a stop to LBT over the continuation of LBT in the form of LBT 13-style films...*braces himself for the incoming riot*...
At least with the continuation of LBT all the way to 13, we got to see LBT 12, which was relatively well-done, really.

Rest In Peace, LBT studios.... smile.gif

Posted by: Mumbling Jul 3 2008, 11:12 AM
I actually thought 10 was the end(didn't know anything of forum at that time) and I actually found it a good way to end.. When I discovered there were more sequels, I was filled with joy.. happy.gif

Malte, yes I am going to travel next year, as my mother has allowed me to do so.. I HAVE to do it anyway, for school. They want me to travel to another country next schoolyear.. I think I know where I'm going already happy.gif ..
We could also meet with the 3 of us of course, or even more.. To watch with european gof members..? anyway, that's something not related to this topic..

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 3 2008, 11:29 AM
Good, Iris. Glad you can get a chance to travel. in-yes.gif

Posted by: f-22 "raptor" ace Jul 3 2008, 11:59 AM
I may go TopGun on them.

Posted by: jedi472 Jul 3 2008, 12:15 PM
This probably isn't a permanent shutdown, but even if it is, it will still live on in the hearts and creative works of the fans.

Posted by: pokeplayer984 Jul 3 2008, 12:41 PM
Dang! This news made me depressed. I'm not in the mood to do what I normally do through the day. (I kind of have a routine. This sad news has effected it.) I'll try to continue with my story as planned, but in the state I'm currently in, I can't make any promises. sad.gif

Posted by: f-22 "raptor" ace Jul 3 2008, 12:55 PM
By going topgun on them I mean this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW23SS0zEnY

Posted by: Mumbling Jul 3 2008, 01:15 PM
Heh.. Looks cool..

John, if you need to talk to anyone.. I'm on msn.. smile.gif

Posted by: The Chronicler Jul 3 2008, 03:04 PM
I sure do hope that the shut-down is only temporary. I'll wait no more than five years, and if they don't come back, then I guess the shut-down is indeed permanent. sleep.gif

However, if it is permanent, I do see at least one benefit. When you write a good fanfic, it can be frustrating when a new sequel or episode comes out and it contradicts something in your fanfic. If no new sequels or episodes are ever going to come out, you won't have to worry about any future contradictions. This is especially true for that well-known plot-hole created by the TV series. (how Chomper got off the island, how he met Ruby, and how they were accepted into the Great Valley (without knowing officially what happens here, you can say whatever you want in-yes.gif ))

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 3 2008, 05:16 PM
...Earlier today... I talked with Iris about this... And we cried... ...A tear actually fell onto my glasses... I let it spread, relishing in the symbolism of the end... And... As I helped it to spread natually across the lens... It formed a perfect L... (LBT... Love... Yes, both of those...) I let it dry, then washed them.... sad.gif As I said before.... Rest... In... Peace... *neck breaking crunch*

Posted by: f-22 "raptor" ace Jul 3 2008, 05:26 PM
I have to ask would they really want to tick off loyal customers?

Posted by: General Grievous Jul 3 2008, 05:32 PM
I think I'd take it a step further and B-52 em. Anyway, It makes no sense to stop the series as long as it is making money. Hopefully this is just temporary.

Posted by: f-22 "raptor" ace Jul 3 2008, 05:34 PM
QUOTE (General Grievous @ Jul 3 2008, 05:32 PM)
I think I'd take it a step further and B-52 em. Anyway, It makes no sense to stop the series as long as it is making money. Hopefully this is just temporary.

Yeah so do I. Cause they don't want to meet my little friend called low level fly by at Mach 1.

Posted by: DarkHououmon Jul 3 2008, 06:04 PM
I'm not really bothered too much by the crash, to be honest. I've never really been upset about the cancellation of any series I've seen, whether I liked it or not. No offense intended.

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 3 2008, 06:22 PM
While I respect your viewpoints, DarkHououmon, unfortunately, I cannot agree here, as most here cannot. We love this series - some of us very much (puts himself on that list) and it is hard to see something like this come down... sad.gif However, I respect your viewpoints. You seem to have an easier time dealing with it than many of us here... ...Goodbye, LBT... sad.gif

Posted by: Spartanguy88 Jul 3 2008, 08:03 PM
Dang, just as I was getting back into the series, it shuts down. While this is unfortunate, I do know we have to move on with life. This was a great series, but it's not something we all should dwell on.

This isn't going to stop me from coming up with a story/stories for the series however, and it shouldn't stop any of you guys from coming up with something to contribute.

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 3 2008, 08:38 PM
QUOTE (Spartanguy88 @ Jul 3 2008, 06:03 PM)
Dang, just as I was getting back into the series, it shuts down. While this is unfortunate, I do know we have to move on with life. This was a great series, but it's not something we all should dwell on.

This isn't going to stop me from coming up with a story/stories for the series however, and it shouldn't stop any of you guys from coming up with something to contribute.

Yeah, I plan to do a tribute video in the future... sad.gif

Posted by: Petrie Jul 3 2008, 08:39 PM
Not a surprise to me....LBT has been milked for quite some time now. I'll just say what is true--no tv series lasts forever, nor movie series.

Posted by: StarfallRaptor Jul 3 2008, 09:33 PM
Upset Statement: That is imposssible. If those meatbags have permanently silenced my favorite series...I think I shall have to let them know my definition of "love".
(HK-47 reference)

Posted by: landbeforetimelover Jul 3 2008, 10:28 PM
This doesn't make any sense. Do the people that run Universal Studios even have brains??? They've popped more LBT toys out their a$$ in the last 2 years than any other series I've ever seen and they seem to be selling quite well. This has to be temporary. Moving to a larger office perhaps? Man, I'll tell ya, if they close down LBT permanently I'm gonna pirate LBT like crazy. The only thing that's been stopping me is my moral obligation to keep LBT alive, but if it's dead anyways I don't give a sh**. angry.gif

Posted by: DarkHououmon Jul 3 2008, 10:49 PM
QUOTE (landbeforetimelover @ Jul 3 2008, 11:28 PM)
Man, I'll tell ya, if they close down LBT permanently I'm gonna pirate LBT like crazy. The only thing that's been stopping me is my moral obligation to keep LBT alive, but if it's dead anyways I don't give a sh**. angry.gif

Cancelled or not, you could still get into trouble if you pirate LBT. Are you willing to take that risk?

Posted by: landbeforetimelover Jul 3 2008, 11:00 PM
QUOTE
Cancelled or not, you could still get into trouble if you pirate LBT. Are you willing to take that risk?


I don't think I'll respond to that. Don't want to break invisionfree's rules if ya know what I mean. dino_tongue.gif

Posted by: DarkHououmon Jul 3 2008, 11:11 PM
I'll be honest, and I hope I don't offend anyone here. But some of the responses I've seen in this topic truly..bother me.

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 4 2008, 12:23 AM
Well... At least you're being honest about things bothering you... ...I say again, farewell LBT... *graveyard bells tolling*

Posted by: rosie Jul 4 2008, 01:11 AM
That's too bad.I hope to see more. dino_sad.gif

Posted by: Malte279 Jul 4 2008, 01:34 AM
The news will not turn me into an amok runner nor make me enjoy the thought of people getting murdered (be it by B52 bombers or Hk-47s). Some messages from LBT seem not to have sunk in enough after 13 sequels and 26 episodes dry.gif
Is there anyone here who feels that these news will compel him or her to leave the GOF and not be interested in LBT anymore?
And if there is not, is the difference really as tremendous as it seems at the moment?
Every single one of us has made up an own concept of the land before time. A very personal land before time so to speak which is sometimes expressed in the stories we write ourselves and in other forms of art or in our discussions. No closing down of any office anywhere in the world can take away those lands before time unless the "keeper" him or herself decides to give up on it.

Posted by: landbeforetimelover Jul 4 2008, 01:50 AM
Sorry Malte, but you've gotta admit that things won't stay the way they are now. Even you said something like "I admit that if there was only LBT 1 that I wouldn't be as interested as I am now and I don't think I would be still interested in it". If LBT is canceled, it goes in the same boat as mickey mouse. Just an old worn out show that the older generation used to watch when growing up because it was the new kids show. Soon, we'll all just be a bunch of 80 year olds who hang around this forum and talk about the good old days. It'll never be the same. People will stop joining, general awareness of LBT will go way down, and there won't be any new fans. This is especially true with the technology that keeps coming out. If Universal doesn't make blu-ray LBT movies, they will eventually get so old that no one will be able to play them anymore except online (which most kids can't get online and download movies at 3 and 4 years old). This is indeed big news. I won't stop liking LBT, but this place will get really slow and we'll have talked about all there is to talk about with LBT. This place will eventually just be known as "the forum" and we'll just come here to socialize, not talking about LBT at all anymore. We'll lose sight of why we're here and why we joined in the first place. I know this sounds improbable, but it will happen in about 10-20 years. I have a lot of good friends here, but I don't want to be an old fart talking about some kids show in 2060 that was canceled in 2008. sleep.gif

Posted by: Mumbling Jul 4 2008, 01:59 AM
There will be new fans.. As long as the old fans can keep it alive, tell others and spread the word that it exists.

Posted by: Malte279 Jul 4 2008, 02:20 AM
^ I guess Iris brought across in a few words the central point I would have laid out in an essay.
I will not pretend that the news didn't bother me at all. However, we have always known that this day would come and more than once have we been surprised that the day was postponed. Even now there is not absolute certainty that the office was not just relocated and there might be another movie in a few years... but I don't want to start any kind of denial and therefore assume the total ending of the official input of LBT.
It will be more than 50 years for me to be 80 years old and I intend not to spend that years in depression over the ending of a movie series, nor am I denouncing my enthusiasm for the series just because of the official end.
Many of us have criticized some of the recent sequels and it might be for the better if no REALLY poor sequels are produced. Nothing that happened need to strike a blow to the land before time we have made up in our minds, or to our group as a community. It would indeed reflect poor on the GOF if this shred of information would cause it to disperse.
Without our consent we are not to be "extinct"; I will not give my consent and my visions of the future are not as gloomy as yours Austin. Let some time pass and we will see whose vision will turn out to be true. This I think will be our decision rather than some unavoidable fate imposed upon us by some movie financers.

Posted by: Mumbling Jul 4 2008, 02:28 AM
QUOTE (Malte279 @ Jul 4 2008, 09:20 AM)
^ I guess Iris brought across in a few words the central point I would have laid out in an essay.

dino_laugh.gif

QUOTE
This I think will be our decision rather than some unavoidable fate imposed upon us by some movie financers.


So true!

Posted by: LettuceBacon&Tomato Jul 4 2008, 03:40 AM
Jeez, I get back from my Sierra trip, gas prices have gone up a dime and a half, I missed the 4th of July party (they had it early for some reason), my favorite team Germany loses the UEFA Euro 2008, and now they've shut down LBT?!?!? Has the whole world gone to hell, or I am stuck in a country western song?

Posted by: Mumbling Jul 4 2008, 03:44 AM
Rough time.

Posted by: landbeforetimelover Jul 4 2008, 03:53 AM
QUOTE
Jeez, I get back from my Sierra trip, gas prices have gone up a dime and a half, I missed the 4th of July party (they had it early for some reason), my favorite team Germany loses the UEFA Euro 2008, and now they've shut down LBT?!?!? Has the whole world gone to hell


Yes it obviously has. These last few days have sucked for me as well, but this really brings down the house. sad.gif

Posted by: Malte279 Jul 4 2008, 05:30 AM
^ IF WE DECEIDE to let it be brought down!

Not for the first time in the history of the GOF I shall borrow from and twist for this purpose a document of American history:
"These are the times that try our spirits. The fair weather fans and the sunshine enthusiasts will, in this crisis, shrink from their love for the land before time; but they who stand by it now, show that they have managed to make the land before time more for themselves than a mere movie."

The land before time is the basis for our community, the Gang of Five. But that basis stands and will never shrink; though it might not be further enlarged by anyone but ourselves. Does the basis of a building have to be enlarged all the time for that building to remain whole?

Posted by: NewOrder Jul 4 2008, 05:37 AM
Looks life I spoke too soon...
Well, I can't say I'm not upset by this, a part of me knew this day would come however I never actually believed it. I still say that this isn't a completely bad thing, through the last years I've seen the land before time going through a major identity crisis, with sequels that lead to nowhere. There wasn't a structured whole story line, and bringing in the TV series while keeping the production of the movies (that didn't even have the same characters as the TV series) was a very bad movie. I dought that the target audience kept being faithful to the LBT, since it couldn't create a relationship with any of the characters since they were there in an episode and gone the next.
Indeed it's been a rough month, I still like to believe they'll still keep on with the LBT, but if they do they better restructer their whole mission plan.

PS: LettuceBacon&Tomato I'm glad Germany didn't win, Portugal was the one that should've passed through to the semi-finals, we had more ball, more shots, and complete control of the game if Moutinho had scored first you guys would've trembled and wouldn't have passed trough our defense. Unfortunately Ricardo wasn't up to his best game and Scolari stuberness to not select a good left defender ended up with us being disqualified \: Germany was a consistent team, with a good structer, however it plays a very poorly offensive football, Spain showed you how the game is played buy players who actually know what to do with the ball, and they're a a just winner.

Posted by: Coyote_A Jul 4 2008, 07:25 AM
I don't know, how have i missed this topic before. But, reading it resulted in another reason to feel even worse, then i'm already feel. Crap. sad.gif

Posted by: pokeplayer984 Jul 4 2008, 07:58 AM
Ugh! I could not focus on my work yesterday because of this bad news. I tell ya, I'm so depressed right now. This news ended up triggering a bad day for me.

Geez! I need a big time distraction from this. What should I do? sad.gif

Posted by: Nimrod Jul 4 2008, 08:17 AM
There are many members you could talk to in-yes.gif . Like Iris, she is good in cheering people up, Littlefoot, or me for excample. smile.gif WeŽll be always there for each other. So we help ourselves to get over sad times

Posted by: Threehorn Jul 4 2008, 08:34 AM
I am not going to let this down my hopes, even it bad news for us all when I heard it. But I believe it a gap period and it will be back in a year or 2 down the line, Land Before Time was making a fair amount of money after LBT 12 and the TV Series coming out.

Land Before Time came back after 8 years and look at Doctor Who the new series that came out with a bang after 6 years from a movie that was made in 1999. So I believe in my heart that they will be back! And I will continue to believe that no matter how bad the news I get. Land Before Time can never just drop off like that, we need to keep our heads up and stop saying stuff like...

---Rest In Peace Land before time---
and such depressing words like that. Come on people! Keep your hopes alive! I know it might be slim bad news at this time but I truely believe in my heart that Land Before Time will live on! I will contiune to right my stories, do my drawings and WISH that all the projects you guys and doing such a great job on to keep going! Show them that we can bring this back alive!

Continue on that Land Before Time game you guys been working on for so long!

Like Littlefoot's mother told Littlefoot "Some things you see with your eyes others you see with your Heart!"

Posted by: Mumbling Jul 4 2008, 08:41 AM
That's the spirit threehorn! And yes, we'll keep on working on this lbt game. smile.gif

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 4 2008, 09:34 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I for one, am permanently traumatized over this news. While I will not leave GOF permanentely.... ...Yeah, my time will probably be less on here... (Like I've been as active as I used to be, anyway... sad.gif )

Posted by: pokeplayer984 Jul 4 2008, 09:50 AM
QUOTE (Mumbling @ Jul 4 2008, 06:41 AM)
That's the spirit threehorn! And yes, we'll keep on working on this lbt game. smile.gif

And I'll keep working on my vids! smile.gif

Let's keep the LBT spirit alive! happy.gif

Posted by: Mumbling Jul 4 2008, 09:51 AM
QUOTE (NeptuneNavigator2001 @ Jul 4 2008, 04:34 PM)
I don't know about you guys, but I for one, am permanently traumatized over this news. While I will not leave GOF permanentely.... ...Yeah, my time will probably be less on here... (Like I've been as active as I used to be, anyway... sad.gif )

I hope you keep this forum in a special place in your heart. smile.gif

Posted by: Noname Jul 4 2008, 09:53 AM
Let's keep this news in perspective... the office has been shut down... this does NOT necessarily mean the series is canceled. As of this posting, could find only one old site on the internet suggesting that the series has been canceled...

There is a chance that this is only temporary, or that they are moving/merging offices...

All is not lost...

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 4 2008, 09:56 AM
I don't know man... I've practically given it the coup de gras in my heart... Sealed it away... It might take YEARS before I can do ANYTHING LBT related... ...I think it's over... Tombstone Piledriver, rest in peace... (I really need to stop watching clips of WWE's "The Undertaker" in action.. Heh..)

And Iris... ...Yeah, but it's been sealed... I can't access it... Can't do much anymore... sad.gif You know what, I don't think I have much talent, anyway... I have this ONE fanvideo, on YouTube, and I did a HORRIBLE job... ....Somehow, it's over...

Posted by: f-22 "raptor" ace Jul 4 2008, 09:59 AM
There is still hope my friends http://www.landbeforetime.com/ the offical site works!

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 4 2008, 10:01 AM
That doesn't mean much, really.. A site is a site is a site... But hey, maybe we'll all be proven wrong... I don't know... I'm just choosing to give up now... I'm choosing to let it go, lest hanging onto it, should drive me forever insane...

Posted by: DarkHououmon Jul 4 2008, 10:10 AM
You're going to let go of LBT just because there's a possibility that no more new movies or episodes will be made? I understand you feeling upset, but I don't think you should let go of LBT entirely if you really care about it. It's up to you, I understand, yes. But it does bother me that someone would just give up on a series just because there's a chance that it's cancelled. I mean, does a cancellation really change that much? Sure it means no more new official movies or episodes, but it does not mean the end of the story, for there is fanfiction and fanart and such.

Posted by: Noname Jul 4 2008, 10:16 AM
Until there is widespread and/or official confirmation of the complete and irrevocable end of the series, I will still hold on to hope.

An office shut down. It happens. There are any number of explanations for that...

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 4 2008, 10:21 AM
...Yeah, I guess you're right about that... I don't know anymore... All I know is, it will turn me into a psycho if I keep hanging onto it, because I will always remember this day. It's changed forever for me... I'm not completely walking away from LBT, but... It may take years before I can do anything with it again, let alone even watch it. So, I may just as well... *NeptuneNavigator2001 has left the conversation...*

Posted by: action9000 Jul 4 2008, 10:36 AM
Neptune, my good man: dino_wow.gif
LBT means something a little different to everyone. Maybe what you need to do insteading of "hanging on to it" is just remember what LBT really means to you. smile.gif Chances are, this meaning can be found in the films that have already been made...After all, if it hadn't been for those films, you wouldn't know what to think of LBT at all. cool.gif

Remember what you love about LBT. That same feeling is still there sitting on your shelf, ready to be experienced like always. smile.gif

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 4 2008, 10:39 AM
I appreciate your attempt to console me, Tim... Really, I do. ...However, the way my mind works - analytically - will forever cause me to see the end day.. And knowing myself, it will be an empty thing... Maybe not forever... But for now? Yeah. I'm gonna have to walk away. Still thinking of doing that tribute video though... Even if I have little skill... I'm cannon fodder...

Posted by: Jasper Jul 4 2008, 02:13 PM
Personally I don't think it's dead. Somewhere I have a feeling it's just beginning. Something else similar to this happened only thing is it wasn't a movie it was more like transportation wise and the company suspended it temporarly do to Katrina and loss of money. smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif

Posted by: Threehorn Jul 4 2008, 02:59 PM
I have to agree, like I said before I don't think it going to end forever. It be back. Also I am going to see if my Mystic Caves story could be made into a LBT story book, I am asking about it to see if that possible. So if that works out LBT be alive in some manner of form.


Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 4 2008, 04:37 PM
...Maybe you're right, ThreeHorn. Maybe you're all right... But, for now, this is all still up in the air. I don't feel like teetering back and forth, because I may fall off... That's all it is, really... It's been a hard two days for me, since this happened. Very, very, very hard. (I had a bad experience with a friend because of it (well, partially because of it anyway); I just hope me and this friend can go back to the way it was before the black hour, today; as though it never happened, but with the knowledge that we gained...) ...It's just coming out in all sorts of ways... Ways I never thought possible...

Posted by: LettuceBacon&Tomato Jul 4 2008, 05:25 PM
Want my recommendation? Don't worry about it till tomorrow. It's the Fourth of July, man! It's celebratin' time! Whatever's wrong with LBT, it shouldn't ruin one of the best holidays of the year (when else do you get fireworks and a whole 1/3 of the jellybeans my favorite flavor? I'm celebrating my own little 7/4 party with my dormmates (they were in the mountains w/ me, and missed the real party too). Huge+Legal fireworks displays don't come but once every 365 days, and just for that, I recommend putting real life on the back burner and rollin with your buds till 12 am. Just this once.

Posted by: landbeforetimelover Jul 4 2008, 05:38 PM
I'm sure Universal pays out the a$$ to keep their website running. I doubt they'd do that for a dead movie series.

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 4 2008, 07:11 PM
...I see little to nothing special about most of these traditional American holidays, sorry... (I would rather keep the seven feasts of Yahweh, but knowing little about Hebrew traditions, I'm kinda stuck; time for me to learn...) But, I guess, one can kill a few hours at least... ...Good point again, Austin... This has just brought out my worst though, and... I don't like me when I'm like this... I'm just... I don't want to grab the reins if the horse is gonna buck... Lest I fall off... That's all... I'm really just going into a self-preservation kind of mode. ...I'll probably get around to doing that tribute video someday...

Posted by: Petrie Jul 4 2008, 08:14 PM
NN, I find it terribly hard to believe that a possible cancellation of LBT causes you all this stress. If you're having trouble with friends, that's understandable, but LBT is not causing that. Enjoy the points of LBT you do like and maybe that can ease the issue of what's going on in real life. smile.gif

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 4 2008, 09:04 PM
Okay. You wanna know what it is, Adam...? I'll tell it right now. I dread my future. I dread losing everything and everyone I care about. But lately, it's been less, somewhat. One among you has helped me, yes... Quite a bit. In that regard. I wish I could repay them... However, LBT is just one in a pile... I do feel that the constant talking about such a thing has added to my stress, so, I may have to pull ship for a while. I may have to... I don't know, take another break from this, and definitely one from LBT. Yeah, I guess that's it. I'll stop in from time to time over here. I won't leave completely, but the stress is something I do not need, among dreading the future. However, as I said, I'm finding that this is significantly less of an issue than it has been in the past... I have one person to thank for that...

Posted by: Cancerian Tiger Jul 4 2008, 09:57 PM
It seems as though offices move frequently. I would not count on it being dead yet. Many folks our age and younger adore LBT, and have been devoted fans of the series all the way. If they were to jip us with ending the series with the last film, it would be one heck of a serious letdown for fans. But mark my word: If Universal slam-dunks LBT like this, I shall forever boycott future Universal projects, no matter how good a film appears to be. I would encourage others to do so, but that is an individual decision. Indeed, it would be a slap in the face for LBT fans everywhere doh1.gif. Let's just pray(or at least hope) it does not end like this in-yes.gif.

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 4 2008, 10:02 PM
Wise words, Cancerian Tiger. I will boycott as well...

Posted by: DarkHououmon Jul 4 2008, 10:07 PM
I will not boycott Universal just because they cancelled one project. No offense, but it seems kind of silly to me to boycott a company just because one series is cancelled. Boycotting seems to be a way of threatening the company to continue a project (one that they might be burned out on or no longer wish to continue), in my opinion.

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 4 2008, 10:18 PM
A valid point, DarkHououmon... However, it's not like I buy a new Universal movie every week anyway. I mean, I hardly watch movies or TV at all anymore...

Posted by: Rat_lady7 Jul 4 2008, 10:20 PM
QUOTE (DarkHououmon @ Jul 4 2008, 07:07 PM)
Boycotting seems to be a way of threatening the company to continue a project (one that they might be burned out on or no longer wish to continue), in my opinion.

Off Topic: Hmmm, I don't know what you mean by that... dino_tongue.gif there has been relatively very peaceful boycotts in history, (i.e when Martain Luther King had African Americans boycotting the buses down in the south) they were simply avoiding to take the buses.

On topic: I do wonder...maybe the studios has stopped making the sequels and the tv show altogether, but maybe there is a bright side to this. Maybe they are starting something else that has to do with LBT. Such as having a series with the kids being grown up or something..dino_tongue.gif I don't know, but that's just a possibility, I think at least..

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 4 2008, 10:24 PM
Well, it's all still up in the air at this point. One may speculate in any way that they choose, until we hear official word from Universal themselves.

Posted by: DarkHououmon Jul 4 2008, 10:27 PM
What I mean is this: boycotting Universal by refusing to watch future movies because LBT might get cancelled just seems to be a way of trying to force them into making more LBT when they might not want to, or be able to. It just seems unfair in my opinion.

If anyone decides to boycott Universal, well it's their decision. I can't stop them.

Posted by: Cancerian Tiger Jul 4 2008, 10:27 PM
Sorry if I came across as harsh, but LBT has always had a very special place in my heart and Universal should at least give a beautiful series a proper ending(no asteroids please, for that contradicts the conclusion of the original dry.gif).

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 4 2008, 10:30 PM
It has a very special place in my heart, too, Cancerian Tiger.... One that will remain forever...........

Posted by: Lillefot Jul 5 2008, 01:30 PM
Definitley not the news I wanted, 00:45 last night, in the car, alone and exausted.
That really was a deep cut in my heart... My god that hurted... sad.gif
....So the day has come... sad.gif

I sat on top of the mountains, thinking about it last night.
The sun went down in the horizon, with these news, and I broke. sad.gif

But, as you've all so well stated:

The Land Before Time lives, and will do so TO THE END OF ALL TIME!!!

Myself, I've just finished my RPG plan.
We'll get trough this! in-yes.gif

It's a farewell, NOT a goodbye. I'll never accept the opposite.

Posted by: landbeforetimelover Jul 5 2008, 08:03 PM
I don't have to boycott Universal. I've seen a lot of their movies and they all sucked in my opinion. LBT is the only movie made by Universal that I actually like. dino_tongue.gif

Posted by: DarkHououmon Jul 5 2008, 08:10 PM
When I think of Universal, the first thing that pops in my mind is not LBT, but the Jurassic Park trilogy, which is, for the most part, my favorite dinosaur movies.

I think I have seen other movies by Universal, but I don't remember much of what they made. I think they did "We're Back", an old childhood fav of mine.

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 5 2008, 08:26 PM
Hmm; I remember hearing something about "We're Back!", but never got into it, actually.

Posted by: Jasper Jul 5 2008, 11:26 PM
QUOTE (Threehorn @ Jul 3 2008, 08:29 AM)
It possible they relocated and not told Aria's mum where they relocated or anyone else for that matter. Aria the voice actor of Ducky. So I got this news for her mum.

There is alot of other possible reasons, a break period to recollect thoughts and give Land Before Time a breather cause they have been bring out LBT out since 1996, that 12 movies in 12 years on top of that LBT TV Series, so many might need the time to get recharged and then come back again later date.

So closing the office down for now would be a logical step to recharge the brain cells and come up with new stuff for Land before Time in the furture. Plus why have a whole floor powered up when there no one there for the moment. so that could the reason for the office to be closed.

I'm just gonna go with what Threehorn said here after all when it comes to movies with many sequels there will be times where there will be no sequels for an amount of years and then the series returns. This guys has happened with movies that's had multiple sequels before.

Posted by: Sky Jul 5 2008, 11:41 PM
^ I agree.
Bringing up so many sequels takes alot of effort.
Maybe they just ran out of ideas and need to take a break.

I just hope they won't cancel it and come back with new and better stories. in-yes.gif

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 6 2008, 12:38 AM
I agree, Sky. Cancelling it at this point, would suck.

Posted by: Kor Jul 6 2008, 02:29 AM
QUOTE (Jasper @ Jul 5 2008, 11:26 PM)
I'm just gonna go with what Threehorn said here after all when it comes to movies with many sequels there will be times where there will be no sequels for an amount of years and then the series returns. This guys has happened with movies that's had multiple sequels before.

Yes, look at other movies with many sequels, like James Bond and Godzilla. Like I mentioned before when they are doing a movie sequel of a movie series I'd guess they do not always keep the office open with folks just sitting around doing nothing till production on the next movie starts. They likely shut down that office and have the folks move to other projects, then when the time comes up for the next movie sequel to start production they open the office again. Sometimes the time between the production of a sequel may be a very short time, other times it may be weeks, months, a year or a few, ect.

Posted by: landbeforetimelover Jul 6 2008, 02:42 AM
QUOTE
Sometimes the time between the production of a sequel may be a very short time, other times it may be weeks, months, a year or a few, ect.


Indiana Jones anyone? dino_laugh.gif

How old is Harrison now? 70? laugh.gif

Posted by: Kor Jul 6 2008, 02:50 AM
I didn't count him, but movies that had many sequels, like James Bond, Godzilla, to name a few.

Posted by: Lillefot Jul 6 2008, 03:49 AM
QUOTE (landbeforetimelover @ Jul 6 2008, 02:42 AM)
QUOTE
Sometimes the time between the production of a sequel may be a very short time, other times it may be weeks, months, a year or a few, ect.


Indiana Jones anyone? dino_laugh.gif

How old is Harrison now? 70? laugh.gif

Don't forget Schwareneger. Terminator 4 "With a Cane" dino_laugh.gif

Posted by: Malte279 Jul 6 2008, 04:21 AM
Talk about boycotting Universals is rather ridiculous in my opinion. Not only that from their point of view they did not do anything reprehensible (though it would have been commendable from an economic point of view if a bit more of an effort had been made with regard to the recent sequels (and also keep in mind it is not confirmed that they really "did" anything at all)) but it also won't have any effect. Even if every single member of the GOF (a bit more than 200 people less than 70 or 80 are really active) were to boycott Universals they wouldn't even notice it.

Posted by: Coyote_A Jul 6 2008, 04:26 AM
Here, what i think: who actually cares about official support of the series, when there is so many fans of them in the world? There is a lot of caccelled series, who still lives: new fanart being created, new fan stories being written, new ideas being born. If there will be no LBT 14th movie anytime soon, that doesn't mean, that fans won't create it themself in the future. smile.gif

Posted by: Cancerian Tiger Jul 6 2008, 12:57 PM
Perhaps boycotting would not be the best way to handle this. I am still disgusted at the possibility of LBT and its fans getting a slap in the face like this angry.gif. In any case, we must be hopeful the office only transferred and not shut down forever. Yeah, Coyote_A, they did release LBT 7 two years after LBT 6, as well as two years between LBT 11 and LBT 12 in-yes.gif. So...perhaps it is not a lost cause. I'll just keep on praying LBT will not end yet. The folks at Universal should at least have it in themselves to give this beloved series a proper ending, as I have previously stated. That way, knowing this day would come, the fans would at least have closure that would not leave them hanging. When the series(hopefully properly) concludes, there will still be much room for fanfiction in-yes.gif happy.gif. There's no need to lose hope, for LBT will always be in our hearts. Nothing will ever change that wink.gif cool.gif happy.gif.

Posted by: pokeplayer984 Jul 6 2008, 02:43 PM
LBT is indeed within those movies that holds SO many stories attached to it, whether it be from movies, TV episodes or a mix of both, that someone actually saying "IT SUCKS", they REALLY don't know what their talking about. Simply, how can it NOT be good in the area it aims for if it has SO much attached to it?

Few can claim the title of being THE best in the area they go for. Godzilla won it in Monster Movies, James Bond won the Action Title, and LBT won that title in Family. There's just NO questioning it there.

So, after some soul searching, I'd say this is just a nice break they're taking and it will appear again one day.

I just hope they finish bringing out the DVDs for the TV Series. I mean, they only have 17 now and the next one will make it 21. So, there's still another unknown one that needs to be announced. I just hope it comes. smile.gif

Posted by: f-22 "raptor" ace Jul 6 2008, 02:57 PM
QUOTE (pokeplayer984 @ Jul 6 2008, 02:43 PM)
LBT won that title in Family. There's just NO questioning it there.

Yeah a very good point.

Posted by: The Chronicler Jul 6 2008, 04:05 PM
Here's my opinion, the LBT office could likely be shut-down only temporarily, and for a good reason. Perhaps they realized how poor the latest sequels actually were, and perhaps they had too much of a time limit to come up with better ideas. By temporarily shutting-down the office, they have far more time to come up with great ideas for possible sequels. It probably should take no more than a year or two (maybe even a few years) for them to come up with "the great idea", by which time they will hopefully reopen the office.

Posted by: Jasper Jul 6 2008, 04:07 PM
Also don't forget about the classic films Friday The 13th,Halloween, and A Nightmare On Elm Street.

Posted by: jedi472 Jul 6 2008, 08:24 PM
A question: does the closing of the office affect the frequency of showing on TV, because I haven't seen anything LBT on TV in awhile?

Posted by: Kor Jul 6 2008, 09:38 PM
I would guess that just means there is no LBT movie or season in production at the moment. With season 1 made they will likely show it on whatever networks or channels will pay for it.

Posted by: stars Jul 6 2008, 10:26 PM
That really stinks I am very disappointed to hear this i dont belive it. I feel confused. I wonder why this could of happned? The Land before Time was doing so good and now this happens this breaks my heart dino_sad.gif now The Land Before Time has become even more special to me in my happy LBT memorys i loved watching the tv show and the LBT movies on tv. I can look at the bright side i am happy to see 13 movies made there is so much lbt for me to rember. This will might take a long time for me to get over how shocked i am to hear this but all is not lost for me i am not giving up on lbt. i hope it will soon continue on one day. I can hope for the best and see what may happen.

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 7 2008, 12:49 AM
QUOTE (stars @ Jul 6 2008, 08:26 PM)
I can hope for the best and see what may happen.

That's all any of us can do at the moment really, stars. We won't know for sure until Universal makes it public.

Posted by: Kor Jul 7 2008, 01:16 AM
I'd guess they closed the lbt offices between certain movies in the past when there was some time between the movies.

Posted by: Malte279 Jul 9 2008, 06:37 AM
After the news of the closing office I sent a mail of the following wording to Universals:
QUOTE
Dear Madam or Sir,
recently rumors about closure of the office responsible for the production of the land before time movies have reached the fan community. As one of the fans I would really appreciate if you could tell me if the closure of this office means that there will be no further land before time sequels or TV episodes, or if the office is just to change its location or something. Are there any plans for the production of further LBT sequels or episodes?
Sincerely,
              Malte [...]

Today I received a rather noncommittal response:
QUOTE
Dear Ms. [...],

Thank you for contacting Universal Studios Home Entertainment. We strive to provide the highest standard in product quality and customer care.

No dates have been announced for the next "Land Before Time" DVD release. Please check our website periodically at: http://www.universalstudioshomeentertainment.com for listings of upcoming releases.

We appreciate your patronage and hope that you will continue to enjoy Universal products.

Sincerely,

Consumer Relations
UNIVERSAL STUDIOS HOME ENTERTAINMENT

Apart from being promoted to Ms. (my name sure is not exactly known in the Englishspeaking world rolleyes.gif) the letter doesn't say much. I suppose it s very much of a form mail. The lack of any announcement dates for further LBT movies doesn't mean anything, but I regret that there is no reference whatsoever to the closure of the office.

Posted by: landbeforetimelover Jul 9 2008, 07:04 AM
Yup. Just a useless form generated response. That's really too bad. The least they could do is get back to you with a real person. dry.gif

Posted by: Coyote_A Jul 9 2008, 07:10 AM
Beat me, but i would never consider, that Malte could be a name of a girl. That's definetly a machine-generated answer.

Posted by: Threehorn Jul 9 2008, 07:26 AM
With that kind of response that would mean there is no real word that LBT is over or it going on after a short break. Wow now this is really confusing, Universal surly makng peoples heads spin around not getting any clear answers.

Posted by: Cancerian Tiger Jul 9 2008, 07:37 AM
The message sent by Universal seems rather confusing indeed wacko.gif. While there is no absolution as to whether or not more LBT sequels will be released, the message at least gives fans a glitter of hope that the office may not have closed after all. Just a glitter, but that's better than despair alone in-yes.gif.

Posted by: pokeplayer984 Jul 9 2008, 07:38 AM
Hmm... a computer generated answer? Okay, that's just disappointing. When a company relies on a computer to answer their mail, that just shows extreme lazyness, along with the company not caring about what their fans have to say.

However, there is a trick around it that I know of. I don't wish to share my secrets, but if it doesn't work, then it'll show how lazy the head of Universal is at giving out answers.

Give me the e-mail address you sent it to, Malte, and I'll guarantee either a straight answer or a lazy response. smile.gif

Posted by: Malte279 Jul 9 2008, 07:45 AM
upixnews@nbcuni.com
But you have to write the email on the http://www.universalstudios.com/contact_form.php?email_id=9, or else it won't work.

Posted by: landbeforetimelover Jul 9 2008, 08:04 AM
Hmmmmm. I chatted with Universal using a different way. I was given a corporate email address and told to just send an email there. I got quite an interesting email indeed. They said they planned to have "many more sequels" to the original. That was a year ago, but it still gives me hope to this day. There's only been 1 sequel released since that time.

Posted by: Threehorn Jul 9 2008, 08:32 AM
If they said that a year ago then there is very much more hope.

I would love to present my story to them to see where it goes, the one I haven't really shown to you guys because of that very possiblity. At least give them a little summary of it at least and my picture that I created for my story.

I spoke to the director 2 years ago telling a little about my idea and at that time he seem interested in the way I made it. That he might even take a look at it once it was typed up.

Posted by: pokeplayer984 Jul 9 2008, 08:39 AM
Hmm... there seems to be a few problems with the sending of the letter. I'm sure it is only a problem on their end and will be fixed soon enough.

I'll save my message in my desktop for the time being and get back to them later. smile.gif

Posted by: Kor Jul 9 2008, 10:35 AM
If you wish to sell scripts you need an agent with hollywood connections, as far as I know.

and as for the offices closing, as I said before, when they are not actively working on a movie they are not going to have the folks staring at the wall, paying them to come into the LBT office and do nothing while they are between a LBT project. They'll likely close the LBT office between projects and send the various universal employees to work on other projects.

Posted by: Malte279 Jul 9 2008, 11:00 AM
QUOTE
Hmmmmm. I chatted with Universal using a different way. I was given a corporate email address and told to just send an email there. I got quite an interesting email indeed. They said they planned to have "many more sequels" to the original. That was a year ago, but it still gives me hope to this day. There's only been 1 sequel released since that time.
Can you give us the exact wording of the mails?
Mails need to be read very carefully to avoid misunderstandings. Depending on the exact wording of both your question and the response the author of the later may have easily referred to the existing TV episodes about a year ago.

Posted by: pokeplayer984 Jul 9 2008, 11:10 AM
There we go! Got it sent, so now we wait. smile.gif

Posted by: landbeforetimelover Jul 9 2008, 07:44 PM
QUOTE
Can you give us the exact wording of the mails?
Mails need to be read very carefully to avoid misunderstandings. Depending on the exact wording of both your question and the response the author of the later may have easily referred to the existing TV episodes about a year ago.


Well, it was sent to my abandoned email address....... I really don't want to go through there. Here is why I abandoned my old email address:

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The sad part is, I marked it as UNREAD!!!! sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif

There's no way I can go through over 11,000 messages to get it, sorry.

Posted by: Spartanguy88 Jul 9 2008, 07:54 PM
QUOTE (Kor @ Jul 9 2008, 10:35 AM)
If you wish to sell scripts you need an agent with hollywood connections, as far as I know.

and as for the offices closing, as I said before, when they are not actively working on a movie they are not going to have the folks staring at the wall, paying them to come into the LBT office and do nothing while they are between a LBT project. They'll likely close the LBT office between projects and send the various universal employees to work on other projects.

That's a good point.

But to me, I also think they needed some time off. It's not like they can just make a new movie/episode in a week's work. It all takes months of planning, writing, drawing, getting audio done, etc...

So as you can imagine, it's pretty tiring work. Looks like they needed time to freshen up a bit (and/or spend more time with their families) before going back to work.

Hopefully anyway. If that's not the case, and for whatever reason it is closing, then while it is unfortunate, it's not the end of the world.

Posted by: landbeforetimelover Jul 9 2008, 07:56 PM
QUOTE
it's not the end of the world.


Nope. Just the great valley. sad.gif

Posted by: Spartanguy88 Jul 9 2008, 08:02 PM
QUOTE
Nope. Just the great valley.


But there is a bit of a bright side to that:

It's still open ended. That's great for fan artists and fan fiction writers.

Posted by: Petrie Jul 9 2008, 08:29 PM
OT: Bwahahaha! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif 11,000 new messages! WTF?

Posted by: landbeforetimelover Jul 9 2008, 09:05 PM
QUOTE
11,000 new messages! WTF?


I've had that gmail account since it first opened and it I really spammed the thing up. I was very stupid back then. dino_laugh.gif

Posted by: Cancerian Tiger Jul 9 2008, 09:27 PM
Wow! 11,000 new messages blink.gif? Dang!

Well, it seems as though Landbeforetimelover has given us some hope. Perhaps he will find this email wink.gif. I was going to send a hardcopy of a letter to Universal earlier this year, after I noticed the rumor in the LBT XIV section that they were going to drop LBT and focus on Curious George. That would have been scary, as Curious George not only targets ONE specific age group, but is also not nearly as popular as our beloved dino pals in-yes.gif. In any case, I figured I would wait. But, if nobody here gets word soon, I just may follow through with that letter cool.gif. However, given the company's tendency to not respond to letters and emails personally, I may not have much luck rolleyes.gif. Anyhoo, let's all hang in there. If what Landbeforetimelover says is factual, it has been less than a year since the latest sequel came out, so...that means many more may come in-yes.gif wink.gif happy.gif.

Posted by: Malte279 Jul 10 2008, 01:52 AM
By having as many mails as possible shown on each page, then pressing strg + f and entering a word which you remember from the title / the address?

Posted by: landbeforetimelover Jul 10 2008, 02:03 AM
It was so long ago that I forget what it was titled or where it came from. The only thing I know is in there is "the land before time", but that would include about 10,500 of those emails. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: pokeplayer984 Jul 10 2008, 07:22 AM
QUOTE (landbeforetimelover @ Jul 10 2008, 12:03 AM)
It was so long ago that I forget what it was titled or where it came from. The only thing I know is in there is "the land before time", but that would include about 10,500 of those emails. rolleyes.gif

And a number of them are from this place, right?

Dang! That's pretty sad to have THAT many unread messages. sad.gif

As for me, nothing yet, but I'll wait. I'll be patient with Universal at answering my e-mail. smile.gif

Posted by: NeptuneNavigator2001 Jul 10 2008, 03:39 PM
Well... At least the e-mail exists, right? dino_tongue.gif And John, best wishes!

Posted by: Nick22 Jul 13 2008, 03:24 PM
I'm not sure whether this a permanent closing or not, I'd personally think it to be a temporary move done to get some breathing space. as for the series.. many series get cancelled.. and if there was going to be a Season 2 it would have been announced by now in all likelihood.

Posted by: Kor Jul 13 2008, 05:08 PM
I"m not sure how cartoon network does their seasons & that is one problem with going with a particular network instead of going syndication.

& for the closing being temporary It may well be, since they would not have the team working on just 1 thing. They'd likely have the team work on other things, and with a large place like universal the team may not work on the same things together, but on different things. After all it's like I said, universal isn't going to pay folks to just wait around and do nothing while the higher ups decide when to start working on the next lbt movie. If it's a year or 3, they would not pay folks for doing on work during that time, but they'd be assigned to other projects and there may be a list of things the animation division will be working on.

Posted by: landbeforetimelover Jul 13 2008, 09:05 PM
Perhaps the writers are the only ones doing stuff so they decided to close down the office and stop paying the animators and crap for sitting around. They'll re-open the office once the writers come up with something. LBT is on a strict budget cuz they're taking a lot of risks by making a billion new types of toys that might or might not be popular. Stupid move by them and I think it was an attempt to crash LBT, but I don't think it worked.

Posted by: Spike_of_the_Valley Jul 13 2008, 09:25 PM
QUOTE
Perhaps the writers are the only ones doing stuff so they decided to close down the office and stop paying the animators and crap for sitting around. They'll re-open the office once the writers come up with something.


Depending on how Universal Studios hire their writers for LBT, that might actually be the case. While I think TV series generally have their wriyters in a semi-permanent state of employment, hiring writers for films tends to be a more one-off thing. Obviously, something like LBT, which has put out many films at a fairly constant rate for a while now, could be anywhere between the two.

If we assume for the sake of argument that the LBT sequels work like most films, then it wouldn't generally be the writers who come up with the basic idea. It would more likely be a producer or a director, for instance. The writers would simply work out the specifics of the plot and write the script (which would probably be changed to some extent later).

In short, if they're just waiting on ideas, it would probably be producers (or possibly a director like Charles Grovesnor) who they're waiting on. Producers could easily be working on other projects in the meantime, probably more easily than animators, who would form a much larger portion of the office's employees.

Writers, in the meantime, just get screwed, as tends to happen to writers.

Hopefully that made some level of sense.

Posted by: Cancerian Tiger Jul 14 2008, 12:30 AM
QUOTE (Spike_of_the_Valley @ Jul 13 2008, 09:25 PM)
Writers, in the meantime, just get screwed, as tends to happen to writers.


Yeah, it sure does happen grrr1.gif. I mean, nine times out of ten one's attempt to get a manuscript published is rejected angry.gif. Believe me, I learned this from an actual author who instructed my creative writing class. Anyhoo, nobody knows exactly why this is happening, but these past few posts could be fairly made assumptions. Perhaps the series is on a temporary hiatus but will return soon cool.gif. The series is a far cry from dead, so I'm certain they would not just drop it altogether in-yes.gif.

Posted by: LettuceBacon&Tomato Jul 19 2008, 03:43 AM
QUOTE (landbeforetimelover @ Jul 10 2008, 02:03 AM)
It was so long ago that I forget what it was titled or where it came from. The only thing I know is in there is "the land before time", but that would include about 10,500 of those emails. rolleyes.gif

It would probably include the word "Universal." Not many of our emails would have that.

Or try the one phrase you remember: "Many more sequels".

Posted by: lbt/cty_lover Jul 19 2008, 10:05 AM
I just read the opening post. I agree that LBT will live in the hearts in all of its fans, even though Universal has stopped caring. We can only hope that in the future, someone will come across the LBT and revive it. Until then, we will keep the fire burning in our hearts and minds by keeping this forum alive and active.

Posted by: pokeplayer984 Jul 20 2008, 07:50 AM
Okay, I'm starting to wonder if they just dumped my e-mail because I have yet to receieve anything.

Drat! And I had such a nice idea going. sad.gif

Posted by: DarkHououmon Jul 20 2008, 08:58 AM
QUOTE (pokeplayer984 @ Jul 20 2008, 08:50 AM)
Okay, I'm starting to wonder if they just dumped my e-mail because I have yet to receieve anything.

Drat! And I had such a nice idea going. sad.gif

I have my doubts on that. Universal, like other major companies, is probably very busy, and thus an e-mail or so could easily be overlooked. Or perhaps they have not even read it yet because they have a lot of other things to do.

Posted by: f-22 "raptor" ace Jul 20 2008, 11:04 AM
QUOTE (Threehorn @ Jul 9 2008, 08:32 AM)
If they said that a year ago then there is very much more hope.

I would love to present my story to them to see where it goes, the one I haven't really shown to you guys because of that very possiblity. At least give them a little summary of it at least and my picture that I created for my story.

I spoke to the director 2 years ago telling a little about my idea and at that time he seem interested in the way I made it. That he might even take a look at it once it was typed up.

which LBT fanfic of yours?

Posted by: LettuceBacon&Tomato Jul 20 2008, 01:45 PM
Threehorn, I'm studying to become a screenwriter, and the first thing you need to know: appearance is everything. You're script needs to be formatted correctly, or most producers won't even look at it. So before typing it up I recommend getting a program which automatically formats your script for you. FinalDraft is the norm for the industry, but costs a lot of money. I recommend Celtx, which a free program you can download off the Internet, it's what me and half the class uses. It can be downloaded http://www.celtx.com/download.html. If you need any help understanding the program (it's remarkbly easy once you get the hang of it) ask me here or via e-mail, I'll be happy to help. Turning in a professional-looking script greatly increases your chances of getting noticed and green-lighted.

Posted by: f-22 "raptor" ace Jul 20 2008, 07:49 PM
Main site still working.

Posted by: Kor Jul 20 2008, 08:22 PM
I've read that you need an agent. One with hollywood connections or a hollywood agent. Though I read that years back and it may not be very current information. I do wish you good luck though.

Posted by: rosie Aug 4 2008, 10:51 PM
MAybe they can reboot later when the gang is older.

Posted by: oogaboo Aug 27 2010, 05:27 PM
Dang! I just now noticed this. Oh well...A franchise does not last forever. I agree with Petrie. The series has been milked with Digital Versatile Disks that can easily hold 2 or 3 movies in one disk. That is about as equivalent to 4 GBs. I wish they could've ended this with a better movie other than this "Happy-Go-Lucky" 13th movie...

If they do come back, how many people (other than you guys) are going to notice or even care? Littlefoot is no popular than ScoobyDoo quite honestly.

Posted by: Rocky Aug 27 2010, 11:07 PM
They could merely be doing this to renew interest in the franchise.

Posted by: DarkHououmon Aug 27 2010, 11:16 PM
QUOTE (Rocky @ Aug 28 2010, 12:07 AM)
They could merely be doing this to renew interest in the franchise.

I've never heard of a company try to renew interest in a franchise by pulling the plug on it.

Posted by: ScratteLover3 Aug 28 2010, 06:37 AM
QUOTE (DarkHououmon @ Aug 27 2010, 11:16 PM)
I've never heard of a company try to renew interest in a franchise by pulling the plug on it.

Universal did this with Tremors. Tremors 4 came out in 2003, and fans were told that it would be the last, and now there's a 5th scheduled for anywhere from December 25, 2010 to Summer of 2011.

Posted by: Petrie Aug 31 2010, 07:54 AM
^ This topic has also been in the depths of the GOF for two years....and since then we've had no OFFICIAL news of anything and the official website has gone offline. This doesn't look like a resurgence of LBT to me. They've already milked the cow to death and it already has been shot at the slaughterhouse. I think the signs are clear they've done enough and plan to do no more.

I'll probably not be the only one to say this, but LBT went on far longer than I'm sure a lot of people thought it could. How many theatrical films get thirteen films and a tv series made after the original is made? There's a reason they don't....they get weaker and weaker the longer they try to keep the story going and alive. Shrek 4 anyone??? exactly.gif

Posted by: DarkHououmon Aug 31 2010, 08:09 AM
QUOTE (ScratteLover3 @ Aug 28 2010, 07:37 AM)
QUOTE (DarkHououmon @ Aug 27 2010, 11:16 PM)
I've never heard of a company try to renew interest in a franchise by pulling the plug on it.

Universal did this with Tremors. Tremors 4 came out in 2003, and fans were told that it would be the last, and now there's a 5th scheduled for anywhere from December 25, 2010 to Summer of 2011.

That does not necessarily mean they planned on doing that. The most likely scenario, I think, is that they really did plan on Tremors 4 in 2003 being the last one, then changed their minds later on, perhaps due to whatever success Tremors 4 had.

Posted by: oogaboo Aug 31 2010, 06:10 PM
QUOTE (Petrie @ Aug 31 2010, 07:54 AM)
  How many theatrical films get thirteen films and a tv series made after the original is made?  There's a reason they don't....they get weaker and weaker the longer they try to keep the story going and alive.  Shrek 4 anyone???  exactly.gif

exactly.gif That is what they call "sequelitis".

Posted by: LBTFan13 Aug 31 2010, 07:21 PM
QUOTE (DarkHououmon @ Aug 27 2010, 11:16 PM)
I've never heard of a company try to renew interest in a franchise by pulling the plug on it.

Well as an example, even though technically it's not the same, look at the Predator franchise. The second movie came out in 1990, and then for 14 years nothing happened until Alien vs Predator (even though it wasn't that good). Not counting it, the first true sequel to Predator II is Predators, which came out 20 years after it. Another example would be Rocky Balboa. It came out in 2006, which is 16 years after Rocky V. Was it as successful? I don't know, but it at least sparked interest back into the franchise.

Then again, this is most likely not happening with LBT considering there are 13 movies in this franchise, but then again, it's not to say it hasn't been done before.

Posted by: Malte279 Sep 1 2010, 03:44 AM
I do not see any likelihood of more land before time movies to be produced but indeed there have been cases in which pulling the plug did renew interest (or sometimes further increase existing interest) in a franchise.
Arthur Conan Doyle was kind of fed up with Sherlock Holmes and decided to kill him. However, he had done so in a way that allowed Doyle to resurrect Holmes a few years later upon extreme popular request. It may be doubted whether this was a marketing strategy (it seems that Doyle really was fed up with Holmes at the time), but the result was similar.
Perhaps a better example is Superman. Nothing rekindled the interest in the franchise at a time when it had run down pretty much as much as the news that he was going to die.
With regard to LBT however there was no big staged ending (that might have traumatized the younger fans) and few people outside the fancommunity (us that is) may even be aware of the closing of the office and many of them would think "it was high time!" upon receiving that news. Given the quality of the later sequels they may be right. I stated before that as far as I am concerned (and I think the same is true for many of you) there is another land before time which we built up for ourselves and that is not dependent on further releases. I think that in theory it would be possible to pick up the franchise again, but it would be extremely unlikely and (one must give that credit to the writers) it would be ever more difficult to come up with new stories.
In this context I think that some are a bit harsh on the TV series. No mistakes it had weaknesses and some episodes have been worse than other. But I think that the writers of the TV series did a better job than they are often given credit for. Most of the stories did make some sense and were relatively true to the movies. Of course they were stories to fill 25 minute episodes which would be easier to write than the 70 - 80 minute sequels. But I think in case of some of the later sequels they seemed artificially drawn out including minutes where nothing really important happened. In that case I prefer a short but good episode over a drawn out sequel. Personally I think that the TV series with all its weaknesses deserves more credit than we tend to give it... and I am rambling and getting of topic, so I better stop now wink.gif

Posted by: Campion1 Sep 1 2010, 08:59 AM
You know what? I'm ok with this now. Really, I am. We got 12 sequels to an original classic using some really memorable characters, some only used about once in the series. Not only did we get the movies, but we got a tv series. The world of LBT is so great that anyone could write a fanfic for it, and it still has unlimited possibilities. I think we as fans should be thankful that we have gotten this much. I wouldn't think of this as "pulling the plug" for LBT, just the end of the gang's "paid, canonical" adventures.

Posted by: LettuceBacon&Tomato Sep 1 2010, 04:10 PM
QUOTE (oogaboo @ Aug 31 2010, 06:10 PM)
exactly.gif That is what they call "sequelitis".

And guess what the http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Sequelitis is on TV Tropes?

Posted by: ScratteLover3 Sep 1 2010, 04:17 PM
QUOTE (LettuceBacon&Tomato @ Sep 1 2010, 04:10 PM)
QUOTE (oogaboo @ Aug 31 2010, 06:10 PM)
exactly.gif That is what they call "sequelitis".

And guess what the http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Sequelitis is on TV Tropes?

It should be all the posters of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_film_series_with_more_than_ten_entries#89


If something in Japan can reach 89 movies, why can't The Land Before Time go past that?

I've seen movies made in that country before, they're normally boring (Like... great. I forgot the name. I bought it, and only watched half. A waste of money. The creature in it was fake too.)

Posted by: Manny Cav Dec 11 2010, 07:26 PM
I haven't chimed in on this yet, so I'll speak my peace since I seem to have the time.

I've been lurking around unnoticed once in a while, and I was watching when wind of this first broke. To be honest, I wasn't surprised by this at all. When a year passed after LBT 13 with no word on anything else, I kind of figured this would happen. I didn't expect for them to have the willpower or talent to connect Chomper's return and Ruby's presence in the series with the movies. It was no surprise when I learned that Universal pulled the plug. The series plodded on with numerous sequels with no real forward direction. Some of them might be enjoyable to some of us fans who remember this series from our childhoods and like to hold on to that part of our pasts, but that doesn't generate enough money for Universial to justify continuing to spend money on this series. We might find enjoyment in these sequels, but being as how they're made mainly for the little ones, they're just not very palitable for the average movie conneseur. They figured it was time for them to move on to new and better things.... I also find it rather crass that they decided to stop on LBT 13.

Unless someone magically decides to reboot the series or pick up the pieces, this is the commercial end of The Land Before Time. No more movies or television episodes, and no novels, either. You'd be super lucky to find any new children's books. Is this the end of LBT as a whole? Absolutely not. While this is the end of commercial LBT for the time being, this is also a new begging, and this end by Universal isn't necessarily a bad thing, either. What am I referring to? Fanfiction, fanart, fanon--the imagination of the fans who fondly remember LBT. With no more constraints of sequel upon sequel, we're free to examine the finer details of the series with no worry of conflicting with official canon. We're free to explore what happened between LBT 13 and the series. How did Chomper get back to The Great Valley? We can now let our imaginations run amok and make speculation with what information the movies and series (official canon) do provide, and bridge our own gaps. It's not like we couldn't do this before, but now, there's nothing else in the way to hold us back or say, "No, there's no way Universal would write that in." No sequels or official canon. We can now also make our own LBT 14, LBT 15, etc. Get into the nitty-gritty between the lines. LBT now belongs to the fans. Not commercially speaking (we can't just up and use their characters and things to sell our own merchandise), but we will, for the most part, decide what direction the LBT fandom goes in.

It's time for the fans to pick up where Universal left off (if they haven't already done so). And yes, I know I'm terribly late on the bandwagon, but I've been wanting to say this for a long time, and now, I have the chance to do so.

Posted by: Nick22 Dec 11 2010, 08:07 PM
goiod to have you back Manny cav and iagree with your thoughts completeky..

Posted by: oogaboo Jan 15 2011, 05:01 PM
Speaking of the office closing...does anybody know if they have an LBT office in the UK or know the whereabouts of the voice actors?

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