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Title: What pschological problems does Raven have?
Description: Raven shows symptoms of emotional issues


leahgrave - July 4, 2004 05:18 PM (GMT)
Has anybody notice that Raven always wears longsleves and she never eats anything, except herbal tea which speads up your matoblism and has zero calories? Raven shows signs of an eating disorder and self-injury.

Floppy - July 4, 2004 05:20 PM (GMT)
well. On Final Exam You see her going out for Pizza! :dunce:

leahgrave - July 4, 2004 05:45 PM (GMT)
True...........but you never see her eat. People with ED (eating disorders) do that. They suggest and cook and may even chew the food and spit it out in a cup that you can't see through (useful tip if you have to eat) Not to mention, the amount of control she needs to keep her powers under control could make a person seek a false sense of contol outlet.

Solo - July 4, 2004 05:52 PM (GMT)
Maybe Raven is anorexic! :wtf:

leahgrave - July 4, 2004 06:28 PM (GMT)
That would explain why she is always hidding her figure under her cloak.

IluvRobin - July 4, 2004 07:34 PM (GMT)
Maybe Raven just doesn't like food. :dunce:

Jay - July 4, 2004 08:03 PM (GMT)
Or maybe the cartoons just are not a constant surveillance of the lives of all the characters. There are a lot of things we don't see them do.

Shakey_Jake33 - July 4, 2004 08:07 PM (GMT)
I dunno, I personally think she has the right idea.

Her attitude? She's self-reliant, not needing to fall back onto others, and not being controlled by her emotions - IMO a plus.

Her lifestyle? She does things her way, regardless of what others may think of it. Seldom eating? Much herbal tea? Anti-social people-hater who prefer to take a step back from the world? Her way. Many people like that, myself included.

Looking at the messed up world around us, full of people who feel some kind of dire need to impress their peers, afriad to live their life in the way they want to, eat what they want, wear what they want, act how they want and getting consumed by their emotions.... I think most so-called 'normal' people have psychlogical problems...

leahgrave - July 4, 2004 09:55 PM (GMT)
Everybody in the world have some sort of 'issues' and I know that the cartoon itself doesn't explore the entire world of teen titans; but speaking realisticly and examining them as real people Raven would have alot to worry about. And as far as her living her own life and not caring what other people think is really not justified in the show itself. Example in 'fear itself' she was too worried about keeping her famos emotionalless status thus she unwillingly created a world of little demon monsters.

Shakey_Jake33 - July 4, 2004 10:24 PM (GMT)
That only goes to emphasise the point though. In that episode, she got so obsessed over what other people thought of her (not willing to admit someone like her could actually be scared) that it backfired like that. Lesson learnt, she now knows better than to let herself get consumed by the relatively unimportant opinions of other people.

leahgrave - July 4, 2004 10:33 PM (GMT)
Granted that she might have learned her lesson but there is no evidence of that. Don't get me wrong I am one of those 'anti-social' people also; but I, unfoutunitly have had experiances with both mutalation and eds. I'm not out to bash Raven if thats what anybody is thinking. I just see the warning signs is all.

DarkShadows - July 4, 2004 10:34 PM (GMT)
Well, she is half demon. Maybe she doesn't need to eat.

That or the writers didn't think it was very important to show her eating. :sweat:

Jay - July 4, 2004 11:41 PM (GMT)
What about the eps where she goes to the pizza parlour?

Shakey_Jake33 - July 4, 2004 11:50 PM (GMT)
I'd imagine she does eat, just not necessarily with the other Titans.... maybe in her room or something.

QUOTE (leahgrave)
Granted that she might have learned her lesson but there is no evidence of that. Don't get me wrong I am one of those 'anti-social' people also; but I, unfoutunitly have had experiances with both mutalation and eds. I'm not out to bash Raven if thats what anybody is thinking. I just see the warning signs is all.

Eh guess we have our own opinions on it. She just doesn't strike me as a person who particularly cares too much about others opinions of her.

Jay - July 5, 2004 01:49 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Shakey_Jake33 @ Jul 4 2004, 07:50 PM)
QUOTE (leahgrave)
Granted that she might have learned her lesson but there is no evidence of that. Don't get me wrong I am one of those 'anti-social' people also; but I, unfoutunitly have had experiances with both mutalation and eds. I'm not out to bash Raven if thats what anybody is thinking. I just see the warning signs is all.

Eh guess we have our own opinions on it. She just doesn't strike me as a person who particularly cares too much about others opinions of her.

I agree with Shakey_Jake33. I seem to recall she was in denial about having fear, not to preserve her image to the others.

DarkShadows - July 5, 2004 04:14 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Shakey_Jake33 @ Jul 4 2004, 03:50 PM)
I'd imagine she does eat, just not necessarily with the other Titans.... maybe in her room or something.

QUOTE (leahgrave)
Granted that she might have learned her lesson but there is no evidence of that. Don't get me wrong I am one of those 'anti-social' people also; but I, unfoutunitly have had experiances with both mutalation and eds. I'm not out to bash Raven if thats what anybody is thinking. I just see the warning signs is all.

Eh guess we have our own opinions on it. She just doesn't strike me as a person who particularly cares too much about others opinions of her.

I agree... Raven isn't the type of person to have a image to want to protect.. just the type of person who is there.

leahgrave - July 5, 2004 04:36 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (DarkShadows @ Jul 4 2004, 08:14 PM)
QUOTE (Shakey_Jake33 @ Jul 4 2004, 03:50 PM)
I'd imagine she does eat, just not necessarily with the other Titans....  maybe in her room or something.

QUOTE (leahgrave)
Granted that she might have learned her lesson but there is no evidence of that. Don't get me wrong I am one of those 'anti-social' people also; but I, unfoutunitly have had experiances with both mutalation and eds. I'm not out to bash Raven if thats what anybody is thinking. I just see the warning signs is all.

Eh guess we have our own opinions on it. She just doesn't strike me as a person who particularly cares too much about others opinions of her.

I agree... Raven isn't the type of person to have a image to want to protect.. just the type of person who is there.

I respect other peoples opnions but it isen't about her protecting her image. Its about her ability to have control or there lack of over her life. If Raven where a real person and acted the same way the probability of her havning some form of mental issues would be high.

Shakey_Jake33 - July 5, 2004 09:47 AM (GMT)
*shurgs* Isn't someones mental state a bit subjective anyway? I mean, while her actions seem strange to the majority of others, they seem perfectly logical to me.

leahgrave - July 5, 2004 02:03 PM (GMT)
*looks at picture of Johnathan Davis for guidence* Her actions are normal; its just some of the little tibbits that make me wonder. Althought I know that they would never put that in the show(considering its y7) You can't help but notice the warning signs...........but then agian maybe i have been doing this for to long.

GothicHatred004 - July 5, 2004 02:27 PM (GMT)
Raven is just a misunderstood girl with family problems and difficult emotions (like me)

leahgrave - July 6, 2004 01:30 PM (GMT)
Everybody that i have met including myself that had a problem 'keeping their emotions undercontor' have sought solitude in some form of 'unexcepteble act'. I mean nobody can keep them bottled upinside........and they do have to go somewhere.....right? If people hide their emotions from other people then there has to be an outlet somewhere.....whether it be negative or positive...but there is na outlet
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*slaps forehead* duh!!! meditation!...........but i'm sure there is something eles too.

Jay - July 6, 2004 03:32 PM (GMT)
Don't double post, leahgrave. And I'm glad you answered your own question.

DarkRequiem - July 8, 2004 08:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (leahgrave @ Jul 6 2004, 09:30 AM)
Everybody that i have met including myself that had a problem 'keeping their emotions undercontor' have sought solitude in some form of 'unexcepteble act'. I mean nobody can keep them bottled upinside........and they do have to go somewhere.....right? If people hide their emotions from other people then there has to be an outlet somewhere.....whether it be negative or positive...but there is na outlet
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*slaps forehead* duh!!! meditation!...........but i'm sure there is something eles too.

She hides her arms all the time-- she very well could be a cutter. I'd see that more likely than her having an eating disorder like anorexia nervosa. Of course, I doubt they would put something like that in the show, but maybe you're supposed to see those little hints. All shows aimed at adolscents have the whole 'coming of age' theme (Just look at Transformation). Cutting and anorexia are one of the more quietly known problems in teens today, perhaps the writers and the designers and people who make the show are trying to point at these problems very subtly because, of course, they can't put it there as something obvious. Considering the kids that are watching this-- and their ratings.
I'm just speculating, though. :rolleyes:

On the other hand, maybe the reason why we don't see Raven eating too much is because she doesn't usually eat people food... She is half demon after all... :shifty:

Solo - July 8, 2004 09:06 PM (GMT)
Terra is anorexic and Raven is a cutter.... next, we will find out that BeastBoy abuses alcohol.

DarkRequiem - July 8, 2004 10:13 PM (GMT)
And Robin is an addict to Angel Dust, perhaps?

Solo - July 8, 2004 10:18 PM (GMT)
......er i was thinking sex addict........
And what would that make Starfire? Maybe she takes drugs. Always thoguht she seemed kinda...... perky.

leahgrave - July 9, 2004 12:04 AM (GMT)
i would put Raven as more of the cutter type but then agian, cutting and ed goes hand in hand. it may take time to switch to one or the other but over 80% of cutters have had at one time or another an eating disorder as well. And as far as Robin goes I always saw him as the exercise bulimic.

Shakey_Jake33 - July 9, 2004 12:40 AM (GMT)
I don't really agree with any of this personally.

People seem to be making the assumption that because she acts so different to other human beings, that she automatically has some kind of problem inside her head or something.
She's pale white - people automatically jump to the conclusion that she has some kind of eating disorder and she is in fact chronically unhealthy. This of course ignoring the fact that Raven's family history hardly goes into sun-filled lands on either side, thus her genes would dictate this also... (ever notice how people from northern European countries have paler, whiter skin? Less sun, less need for the body to deveolp darker pigments to protect the body). Eh call is chronic eating disorder if you must, I call it hereditary.

Quiet depressive downbeat girl with very dark outlook on life... yeah, gotta be a cutter. I'm joking there of course. Isn't that quite an assumption? People who have a downbeat view on life aren't depressive suicidal manics with a knife at the wrist late at night, I can tell you that because I don't do it :P It makes interesting discussion, but I hardly think Raven has a weak enough mind to consider doing that. Besides, she has to stay emotionless, to an extent, to control her powers. Being suicidal isn't emotionless, it's complete negitive emotion.

Well I'm sure you can see the point I'm trying to convey here. We're all jumping left and right to suggest she has all sorts of mental and emotional problems, when so far all we've seen is she's a little different from normal humans. I personally don't see that as reason to think she has any kind of problems, but that's just me *nods*

Shadow - July 9, 2004 12:44 AM (GMT)
Shakey Jakes right, we can't neccessarily assume that she has any psychological problems other than being really dark. (Which isn't always bad)


However it's likely that she does at the very least suffer from depression.

Solo - July 9, 2004 12:45 AM (GMT)
........ :sweat:

We aren't serious about any of this speculation. It's all jsut for entertainment. Don't take things too seriously.

Shadow - July 9, 2004 12:53 AM (GMT)
I'm not taking it seriously.....

leahgrave - July 9, 2004 12:57 AM (GMT)
Yea...i'm not out to attack the girl....and NOT EVERYBODY WHO CUTS HAS A WEAK MIND!!! The majority of cutters are extremly inteligent. *cough130iqcough* like i said many atimes in this subject i just see the warning signs thats it.... i mean no harm against anyone. and you are right not everyone who is depressed cuts; and not everyone who has pale skin is suffering from malnutrition (by the way i find the paler the skin the sexier the person)and i'm not saying that her actions are abnormal....they are perfectly normal for someone with that type of background; however, if she was real and acted the same way there would be a chance for her to have a few screws lose. I mean if you think about it Raven has alot agianst her...her demon half....not being able to show anysigns of emotions... not to mention the stuff she has to putup with dealing with the rest of the titans. There would be no way that she could handle all that and be perfectly stable.

Jay - July 9, 2004 01:00 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (leahgrave @ Jul 8 2004, 08:57 PM)
however, if she was real and acted the same way there would be a chance for her to have a few screws lose. I mean if you think about it Raven has alot agianst her...her demon half....not being able to show anysigns of emotions... not to mention the stuff she has to putup with dealing with the rest of the titans. There would be no way that she could handle all that and be perfectly stable.

That's why we have eps like Nevermore and Fear Itself.

Shakey_Jake33 - July 9, 2004 01:06 AM (GMT)
Seems some people took my most in a much worse way than it was intended o_O It wasn't meant to be an attack or anything

QUOTE (Solo)
........ :sweat:

We aren't serious about any of this speculation. It's all jsut for entertainment. Don't take things too seriously.

Yup. I just wanted to add my view, just like everyone else. Why? Cause I'm allowed, woo!

leahgrave - July 9, 2004 01:10 AM (GMT)
no worrys shakey-jake :@ i didnt' think it was an attack just a very good standoff....which i must admit you do very nicely......

:hail: three cheers for shakey-jake :hail:

Fledgling - July 9, 2004 06:15 AM (GMT)
Raven, a cutter and/or sufferer of an eating disorder?
I don't think so.

The long-sleve leotard is just a change from the "old" Raven's long gloves--a makeover, nothing more. Every-freeking-Titan who has arms wears something over their forearms: does that make any of the others cutter candidates?

She told Beast Boy once to "Respect that I don't eat fake meat", implying that she does eat meat. Also, a Little Spoiler Here, but at the start of Betrayal, the gang is playing spin-the-slice to see who gets the last piece of pizza. Raven is among them.

She does eat--she just eats like a bird (take that as you will ;) ).

Honestly, except for breakfast in Nevermore and picnic in Sum of His Parts, the Titans are either prepairing or finishing a meal--eating is implied but not done a lot on camera. That being said, why do the events in one episode dictate that things occur that way all the time?

If poeple really want to talk about Raven and psychological problems, why not discuss her Mutiple Personalities? Yeah, I know--"They're just emotions". However, I'd argue that each one is pretty separate and distinct, and each one thinks she is "Raven".

But that's just me.

Jay - July 9, 2004 06:45 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Fledgling @ Jul 9 2004, 02:15 AM)
She does eat--she just eats like a bird (take that as you will ;) ).

Are you implying that she's bulimic?

DarkRequiem - July 9, 2004 07:34 PM (GMT)
Well, straying off a bit, all of the Titans have their own variety of problems.
Beast Boy is obviously starving for attention and probably has insecurity problems.
Robin is a workaholic and insecurity could be a part of that, too, but there could be other causes.
Starfire is just plain naive.
And Cyborg does seem to have problems with being only half human, though he seemed to come to terms to that in Only Human.
The most obvious problem with Raven is she's anti-social, a little kid could have seen that. But if you look into it (and I did), you can find the reason for Raven's anti-socialism. They do drop quite a few hints, here and there, and what they're basically saying is that Raven is unsure about her true self, deep down. She is half demon, and yet she wonders whether or not she's truly evil. Thus, the reason for her reserve-- she's unsure about herself; and she also worries about betraying or hurting the Titans.
Her mirror, meditation, her powers, their purpose is to restrict her. But I doubt she can keep herself in check all the time, 24/7. She would need some way of venting, keeping it all bottled up is an explosion waiting to happen (An example being Nevermore).
Maybe she cries at night, maybe she cuts.
She has so many doubts about herself, maybe she hates herself, she probably hates her parents-- or her father at the very least. But more importantly, she's afraid of herself, afraid of what she can do and what she would do if she were to let herself go.


...At least that's my take on it.

Jay - July 10, 2004 01:07 PM (GMT)
I doubt it's something like cutting, anorexia, or bulimia. I don't think Cartoon Network would should cartoons where the characters perform condemned practices like that. This show is aimed towards young audiences, and I doubt the producers of this are as sick as the producers of Disney.

DarkRequiem - July 11, 2004 07:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Jay @ Jul 10 2004, 09:07 AM)
I doubt it's something like cutting, anorexia, or bulimia. I don't think Cartoon Network would should cartoons where the characters perform condemned practices like that. This show is aimed towards young audiences, and I doubt the producers of this are as sick as the producers of Disney.

Well, you never know for sure until it's too late. :sweat: I've even seen some Nick shows that have cutting and anorexia involved.
But anyway, I think the thing is that Cartoon Network is trying to be extremely subtle with it. All of the Titans have problems, both obvious and not. It's hard to tell what exactly CN is up to because I think they're doing it on purpose, some signs may be true, some may not. It's kind of the way TV producers can be. So whether or not you think Raven is a cutter or not is your decision entirely.
Personally, I'm rather torn myself. I'm just trying to point out the signs that have already been placed. :rolleyes:




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