Enigma, Justify your existence

LOL, considering that you are the ones taking me, a perfectly reasonable member, who was breaking no rules, and then insulting me and interrogating me, and attacking my views without ever bothing to even try and argue them. Then when I actually dare to argue back in this thread, you delete the evidence, and then accuse me of lying.

You still need more maturity, Mr Poopypants.

I've seen your posts before. You appear to inhabit a curious world where things are not what they are but something else as well.

You say things which are Marxist but you are not a Marxist.

You say that Stalin was a state capitalist and magic up a defintion to back you up which is no more a definition than Bill Clinton is a rastafarian.

You propose socialism but then pretend that there will be no state.

You proved yourself a liar long ago.

LOL, considering that you are the ones taking me, a perfectly reasonable member, who was breaking no rules, and then insulting me and interrogating me, and attacking my views without ever bothing to even try and argue them. Then when I actually dare to argue back in this thread, you delete the evidence, and then accuse me of lying.

You still need more maturity, Mr Poopypants.

I've seen your posts before. You appear to inhabit a curious world where things are not what they are but something else as well.

You say things which are Marxist but you are not a Marxist.

You say that Stalin was a state capitalist and magic up a defintion to back you up which is no more a definition than Bill Clinton is a rastafarian.

You propose socialism but then pretend that there will be no state.

You proved yourself a liar long ago.

You say things which are Marxist but you are not a Marxist.

Nope, you just fail to understand what marxism is....

You say that Stalin was a state capitalist and magic up a defintion to back you up which is no more a definition than Bill Clinton is a rastafarian.

What you read my link, and because you cant argue with it, you attack me with lame sarcasm. Your going to go far...

You propose socialism but then pretend that there will be no state.

Where? I never once claimed to be an anarchist.

You proved yourself a liar long ago.

Nope, you just proved your an idiot, who doesnt uderstand basic politics a long time ago.

"You say things which are Marxist but you are not a Marxist.

Nope, you just fail to understand what marxism is...."

And no explanation of what marxism is. Nice and convenient.

"You say that Stalin was a state capitalist and magic up a defintion to back you up which is no more a definition than Bill Clinton is a rastafarian.

What you read my link, and because you cant argue with it, you attack me with lame sarcasm. Your going to go far..."

Can't argue? Nope.

There is no such thing as state capitalism. Only laissez-faire capitalism. Anything else is either interventionism or socialism.

"You propose socialism but then pretend that there will be no state.

Where? I never once claimed to be an anarchist."

Tell us what system you do propose then.

You certainly did post that and I deleted it.

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You proved yourself a liar long ago.

Nope, you just proved your an idiot, who doesnt uderstand basic politics a long time ago."

You don't even understand the meaning of words and you have nothing to back you posts up.

Mr Poopypants.

And no explanation of what marxism is.

I have explained what Marxism is on previous occasions. You probably saw that you were wrong and deleted the post... a usual abuse of mod powers I would expect from a pussy like you.

Can't argue? Nope.

Then why dont you, your a liar, boy.

There is no such thing as state capitalism.

Your an idiot, their is and I have provided links and definitions to prove it. You just cant understand that it has no relevance what so ever to do with state capitalism... As usual with imbaciles.

Tell us what system you do propose then.

Why should I? What are you going to do about it? Ban me? Ohh wait your not an admin are you? Oops, you cant to jack shit boy, until our illustrious leaders turns up, or one of his admins.

You don't even understand the meaning of words and you have nothing to back you posts up.

I have backed up and proved every thing I have said with quotes and sources. You on the other hand are an idiot, who has been proved wrong on numerous occasions, and then deleted my posts to cover your tracks.

Back peddle bitch.

I will have to snip out all the irrelevant drivel from your previous post before I reply to it.

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Hmm, I appear to have snipped your entire post.

Why do you find "exploitation" to be unethical? Ethics assumes that there is an ethical goal in mind... What is your ethical goal? Altruism? Egoism?

What is point 6?

And just stop it with the childish bickering and name-calling!

Get knotted, bignose!

Not you.

Sorry Bignose!

No problem.

But my nose isn't big.

Why do you find "exploitation" to be unethical? Ethics assumes that there is an ethical goal in mind... What is your ethical goal? Altruism? Egoism?

What is point 6?

And just stop it with the childish bickering and name-calling!

Why do you find "exploitation" to be unethical?

By using a position of privelidge to gain an advantage over others at their own expense, I believe is wrong and immoral. But like I said morality is subjective.

What is your ethical goal? Altruism?

I suppose in a way it is a rather selfless belief, though I never really considered it.

What is point 6?

One of the previous posts I made in this thread, in responce to your question.

6. I have what you would probably describe as "liberal" social ideology, In that I think gun control is a good idea, I dont want to ban abortion, I dont want to see gay marrage illegal, etc.

And just stop it with the childish bickering and name-calling!

Listen up mate, I never started this shit, you did. I co-operated and listed some of my views and was insulted by that imbasile. If you want this childish name calling to end, then leash your bitch.

If morality is subjective, then it is moral to "exploit" for everyone who believes it is moral, and immoral for everyone who doesn't. Why is your view right and ours wrong ? Of course, you could just replace "exploit" with "enslave" or "murder" as a demonstration of how far moral relaitivism will get you.

Well said, Tungsten.

To add further to that thought, if ethics are entirely subjective, then why should we care what you think about politics, Enigma? If your political ideas are based entirely on your subjective and senseless ethics, then why are your arbitrary assertions any better than the next man's?

Oh, and I'm afraid that Haggis is a force unto himself. Quite out of my control. But if you refrain from nasty comments, he might calm down...

Oh... he's not gonna like that.

Your funeral, man.

If morality is subjective, then it is moral to "exploit" for everyone who believes it is moral, and immoral for everyone who doesn't.

I disagree, hense the reason I said it is immoral.


My point is that morality is subjective, what I believe is not necessarily shared by others, and there's nothing I can do about it.

Why is your view right and ours wrong ?

I never claimed it was, hense the reason I said that morality is subjective.

Of course, you could just replace "exploit" with "enslave" or "murder" as a demonstration of how far moral relaitivism will get you.

Do you think that the "Thuggies" considered murder to be immoral? Do you think that the majority of southern Americans in the 1860's considered slavery immoral? A fine example of how Morality in all cases on all issues is subjective, there are always those who hold a different view, always societies which hold a different "Moral code". You can disagree all you want but this is fact, not opinion, morality is entirley subjective, depending on your society, values, etc.

If you want to live in a society then you must accept its moral codes, if you do not then you are likley to find your self in trouble. That is not to say however that there is not another society where the moral code is different and you can do what other cultures would consider "immoral". For example in the Republic of Ireland abortion is illegal, yet if you simply cross the border you can quite legally get an abortion.

So generally I do not attack others for what they consider to be ethical, and I do not. I will argue with them, but I wont try and change their minds. However on certain isues of a more extream nature I do certainly find other peoples behaviour completely wrong.

Oh, and I'm afraid that Haggis is a force unto himself.

Then dont complain when I fight back.

But if you refrain from nasty comments, he might calm down...

Why should I? After all he is the one who started it by calling me a liar, etc. If he stops I may consider stopping, but until then... not a chanse.

Oh... he's not gonna like that.

I really dont give a shit.