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Title: What price freedom?
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Inspector - October 23, 2006 10:20 AM (GMT)
Via Noumenalself, I noticed this WSJ article which details our national defense budget:

QUOTE ('Wall Street Journal')
It's true that overall defense outlays for fiscal year 2007 are on track to surpass--in dollars adjusted for inflation--defense spending at the height of the Vietnam War. It's also true that defense spending has already increased by some 40% since 2001, when President Bush came to office. War opponents cite such figures to suggest that the Iraq campaign is too great a burden, and is sucking up funds better spent on domestic programs.

Less talked about is that the $528 billion spent on national defense in fiscal 2006, which ended on September 30, equaled only 4% of U.S. gross domestic product. Historically, that level is far more in line with peacetime military spending. Many Americans might be surprised to learn that current U.S. defense spending isn't all that much above the 3% share of GDP that prevailed from 1999-2001 and was a postwar World War II low.


There are many different ways in which this is a fairly interesting figure...

1) Consider that our defense budget is larger than the next 14 nations combined:

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(source is Wikipedia so I don't know how exact that figure is, but I have heard it on the Military Channel as well)

2) Consider that this is just one more way in which we are fighting this war with our hands tied behind our backs.

3) Consider how much we spend on welfare state entitlements! Our government considers a bum's "right" to a dole check to be worth more expenditure than your right to not get blown to smithereens by Islamists (or Chinese or North Koreans, etc).

-Inspector

AntiSocialist - October 24, 2006 03:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Inspector @ Oct 23 2006, 10:20 AM)
QUOTE ('Wall Street Journal')
It's true that overall defense outlays for fiscal year 2007 are on track to surpass--in dollars adjusted for inflation--defense spending at the height of the Vietnam War. It's also true that defense spending has already increased by some 40% since 2001, when President Bush came to office. War opponents cite such figures to suggest that the Iraq campaign is too great a burden, and is sucking up funds better spent on domestic programs


Better used going into tax cuts...

raditz8526 - October 25, 2006 01:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (AntiSocialist @ Oct 23 2006, 09:21 PM)

Better used going into tax cuts...

Yeah, but that would create jobs and reduce dependence on the government.

Inspector - October 25, 2006 01:38 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (raditz8526 @ Oct 24 2006, 07:12 PM)
Yeah, but that would create jobs and reduce dependence on the government.

Can't have that.

Cunctator - November 1, 2006 04:12 AM (GMT)
I'm not 100% sure of the 14 nation figure, but it sounds about right. There are a few points that the disarmament crowd tends to overlook when they cite this to complain about our spending levels, however.

1) No other country is engaged in defense globally. We are the prime target of every tyranny and militant cadre that developes ambitions beyond murdering its own people or their immediate neighbors. Most of the countries on the list are only concerned with their own borders or the affairs of a single region, so they do not require the same standing forces and transportation assets.

2) Many of the other countries on that list have artificially low figures because we have been defending them since 1945!

If we are going to make any reduction, it should be to pull American forces out of Europe. A Soviet invasion of Europe was a legitimate security threat to the US, but no such situation exists today.

The Euopeans can defend themselves from Islamist terrorism, police the Balkans, and even repel an invasion should they be faced with a resurgent Russia. The combined GDP of the EU countries is about equivalent to ours and their population is higher. They could deploy a competitive modern military at any time, they simply don't want to. Continuing to defend Europe just subsidizes their welfare state.

3) An expensive military saves lives. In historic terms, the big news in Iraq (or even Vietnam) was not that American soldiers are dying, but how few of them are. Our current military capabilities allow us to accomplish battlefield objectives with minimal loss of life where less sophisticated militaries would need a bloodbath. A vote to cut military spending is likely a vote to get American soldiers needlessly killed.

This is just about the only issue where I actually want the government to spend more money. The only issue is where the money should be coming from, which the WSJ piece hit dead on:
QUOTE
In retrospect, Mr. Bush missed a historic opportunity after 9/11 to ask government to spend less on non-essential programs so it could spend more on security. Instead, overall federal spending grew by nearly 50% in Mr. Bush's first five years, as he allowed Congress to spend more on just about everything.

Inspector - November 1, 2006 08:11 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Cunctator @ Oct 31 2006, 10:12 PM)
2) Many of the other countries on that list have artificially low figures because we have been defending them since 1945!

...Continuing to defend Europe just subsidizes their welfare state.

Good point! We're helping them to sustain the unsustainable at our own expense. Not good.




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