Of Goths and Love, Late Night Rant
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Posted: Jul 28 2005, 11:41 AM


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This is an excerpt from a journal entry I made not too long ago. It was incredibly late and I wasn't exactly thinking straight, but I felt the need to rant about something.

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I don't know what annoys me more - the misconceptions about what Goth really is, or the misconceptions that seem to revolve around love. So, as it's nearly midnight and I'm both bored and tired, I decided I'd rant about both.

Goth - It's not hard, people. Goth is not wearing black clothing. It's not hating your parents. It's not face paint. It's not being a non-conformist. It's music. Pure and simple. Being Goth simply means you listen to a certain genre of music. Gothic music is, in Lehman's terms, avante-garde. That is, it's not a part of mainstream pop culture. Bands like Slipknot, Korn, Marilyn Manson, are not gothic bands.

A few bands that would constitude as Goth include:
Sisters of Mercy
Bauhaus
Christian Death
Killing Joke

Notice how most of those bands don't really seem familier? That's because they're either older groups, or aren't a part of the main stream music-go-round. I'd have a really hard time considering you a Goth if you've never heard of Sisters of Mercy or Bauhaus. I am by no means a hard core goth, as I simply don't have a lot of time to sit down and listen to a lot of gothic music, but I sure as hell refuse to recognize all these angst ridden morons as gothic. I've seen Goths walking around in collared shirts and blue jeans. Grow up and move on, kids.

Moving on to my next rant - Love. People just don't seem to grasp the concept of what love really is. Again, I am by no means an expert on the subject, but as it is very late and I need something to gripe about, I figured I'd pick the most cliche.

Contrary to popular belief, that warm, fuzzy feeling that you get every time she touches your hand, or that tingling, electric jolt that shoots up and down your body when his lips touch yours is not love. That's affection, infatuation, and hormones, but it's not love. If you want to experience what love really is, wait for a while until that warm, fuzzy feeling goes away.

What? Obviously, if one loses that electric feeling, then one is obviously no longer in love.

It's that mentality that has driven me to rant on this subject. That feeling is not going to be there forever. It doesn't necessary dissapear for good, but it's certainly not going to be a maintained aspect of your relationship. True love is what's there AFTER that feeling goes away. It's the bond that keeps you together once that warm fuzzy feeling decides to take 5. Take a look at an older couple one day. Really look. While it's not necessarily the case 100% of the time, there are many cases where that warm fuzzy infatuation just isn't there anymore. But that couple is more in love with each other than you and your cute, cuddly boyfriend. Because after that warm, electric feeling is gone, that boyfriend is going to grow bored and move on. True love, eh?

This generation of people really does make me sick. They claim that love is feeling good. That's just not true. If that were the case, divorce rates would be skyrocketing.

Oh, wait... they are.

Love is not always going to be accompanied by warm fuzzies. That old couple know more about love than that starry eyed romanticist. Grow up - true love is so much deeper than that. When that romantic guy is crumpled in a heap crying his eyes out because the warm glow in the relationship is gone, and therefore all love must be forgotten, the old couple are going to be there standing beside one another, for better or for worse.

To think that the one I cared for is probably going to be subjected to this garbage twists a knife in my gut. There are many different levels of love, and I still feel very protective. What a sad state my generation has degraded themselves to.


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Posted: Jul 28 2005, 05:01 PM


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Hmm, goth is a type of music yes. But, it doesn't just mean that. Goth is;

goth
n.
1. A style of rock music that often evokes bleak, lugubrious imagery.
2. A performer or follower of this style of music.

Goth
n.
A member of a Germanic people who invaded the Roman Empire in the early centuries of the Christian era.

Goth·ic
adj.

1.
a. Of or relating to the Goths or their language.
b. Germanic; Teutonic.

2. Of or relating to the Middle Ages; medieval.

3.
a. Of or relating to an architectural style prevalent in western Europe from the 12th through the 15th century and characterized by pointed arches, rib vaulting, and a developing emphasis on verticality and the impression of height.
b.Of or relating to an architectural style derived from medieval Gothic.

2. Of or relating to painting, sculpture, or other art forms prevalent in northern Europe from the 12th through the 15th century.

2. often gothic Of or relating to a style of fiction that emphasizes the grotesque, mysterious, and desolate.

3. gothic Barbarous; crude.

n.
1. The extinct East Germanic language of the Goths.
2. Gothic art or architecture.
3. often gothic Printing.
4. A novel in a style emphasizing the grotesque, mysterious, and desolate.

~From Dictionary.com

Gothic is also considered a subculutre, not exactly having to realte to the music. And, is considered a type of clothing.

Sorry if this annoys you. Just stating fact.

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Posted: Jul 28 2005, 06:41 PM


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I agree with him. On both things. Those who dress in black and wear face paint, I consider psuedo-goth or punkers, hard rock cravers or whatever the fuck it is ... but yes ... gothism is more about hte music than anything else.


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Posted: Jul 28 2005, 06:54 PM


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HabibahRamla -

I agree with the definations you stated from dictionary.com. However, the 'goth' I was speaking of related to the subculture that sprang from the early punk movements in Europe. That particular goth has nothing to do with a style of dress, though many actual goths prefer a particular type (I.E., black or victorian).

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Gothic is also considered a subculutre, not exactly having to realte to the music. And, is considered a type of clothing.


Here is where you and I disagree. Goth is a subculture, but that subculture was based on music, not on style of dress. It relates directly to the music; everything else just falls into place behind it.

The only time I've ever heard 'goth' being used to describe a style of clothing were either made by young, angst ridden Slipknot kiddies or people that didn't know how else to describe dark clothing preferances. I'm not sure if goth is an actual style of clothing, so I won't really take a stand on that.


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Posted: Jul 28 2005, 11:22 PM


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I agree with you on the love, completely...makes me wonder if you've been in a Psychology class lately tongue.gif

*is a big person on Psych* The first stage of ANY relationship is what is called "puppy love" it's what many do mistake for actual love. It usually goes away after...a few weeks or a few months.

True love is yes the bond..but that bond does take some foundation in the puppy love stage. Love is how you deal with the obsticles and work through them, it is the communication and the understanding.

True love is about sacrifice and compromise and give and take. There are many things that can describe what true love is...but it is different for most, but communication and hard work is always present.

That old couple stayed together because of a connection shared with them from the time they met, through the good and bad times. They have reached a point where they don't need words to communicate.

Anyone who thinks love doesn't take work doesn't know jack. This idea of Soulmates..who knows if it's true or not, but either way you'd still have to work with that.

The reason why there is a huge rise in divorce now-a-days is because people are caught up in the glamor and the fast pace of this society. They are ignorant and get married for the wrong reasons. People get married while they are still in the puppy love stage or when they have moved from puppy love to in the clouds where the feeling is slowly wearing off.

Another reason is because no one wants to work hard, they want the easy road so they cheat, lie, and divorce. They say they work hard but they aren't trying much..divorce is just too easy to do. Why take the hard road when divorce is so much easier *sarcastic voice*

Marriage and love ISN'T for lazy people lol.


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Posted: Jul 28 2005, 11:26 PM


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*cough*


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Posted: Jul 28 2005, 11:27 PM


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What, mistress?
Did I say something to bother you?...I don't see how..I wasn't talking about you *confused* w/e...I guess...I'm lost.


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Posted: Jul 29 2005, 12:01 AM


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I didn't say that. I was just reminding you of me. but okay whatever.


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Posted: Jul 29 2005, 12:10 AM


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Your situation is a little different...you are trying hard.

The people I was generalizing well they barely lift a finger tongue.gif

I didn't need to be reminded..


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Posted: Jul 29 2005, 04:30 PM


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