Earlier today Venom and Elawen(sp?) were talking about football and just now I saw one of those adverts for sponsering a child in one of the third-world countries, then something occurred to me. All these football stars, actors/actresses, singers etc get so much money for doing fuck all, I mean, who cares if you can stand on a stage and sing or kick a ball along a field then into a net? Who the fuck cares! These people get all this money they cant even spend cos no matter how much they do spend on all the things they want they barely ever scratch beyond the interest they get from having so much fucking money! Then there're all these poor people starving, dehydrating and/or dying of horrible diseases in these third-world countries, and they could all be saved if they could afford it. But fuck the dying people, lets glue our faces to a tv screen and masturbate over David Beckhams latest hairstyle! Its fucking sickening! All these people get all this money and they dont spend it cos they have more than they will or could ever possibly need, but they dont do any good with it, instead they spend their 'hard-earned' cash on crap they dont need but want cos it looks 'cool'. I mean, just think of it, a person in Africa dies every two seconds and that rate is probably the same for countries like India, Pakistan, Iraq etc... Now put it this way, for every person that dies, their lives could have been saved by one of these 'hard workers heard-earned' cash about a thousand times over! And if all these people put their money together they could build all these third-world countries into healthy, beautiful thriving metropalis'.

You know, I was thinking about a similiar thing the other day while my better half was watching a baseball game. Here's middle aged men dressed in funny outfits running around a diamond in the dirt getting paid millions and millions of dollars. It seemed retarded to me. It made me think, what the hell is wrong with the world?? I know there is more that I can do personally to make the world a better place, but let's face it, even with my new job I still live hand to mouth. Trying to budget my resources to make it till the next paycheck. I do the Relay for Life cancer association at work, we also donate money and goods to local charities. However, I'm still better off than a lot of people in the world and it makes me feel bad. How can all these ridiculous movie stars and athletes live with themselves amid all their debauchery and luxury?? I mean, damn! I see a handicapped person on the corner selling a keychain or place mat and I go buy one even though I don't need it. How much better off is the basketball star with a guaranteed salary from his team, book, movie, and commercial deals? And they talk about tax breaks from the rich?? Gimme a fucking break!! TAX EM!! TAX THOSE WORTHLESS FUCKERS!!! They should give at least half of that hardly-earned money to those who really need it!

I agree. People are most stupid, sometimes... ruled by their popular media... ignorant sheep. I will destroy them all! >.O

Interesting debate.

Hmmm, they are overpaid yes, very much so....however, I do enjoy football, and I know a lot of other people do, and it's not up to me what they do with their money. I think if I were a celeb of any kind, I would try to do something good with my cash...sure I'd take some luxuries, I don't see a point in having loads of money and living in poverty myself, but I'd certainly look into all the needy cases out there, and perhaps try to highlight them to others also.

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I'm glad me and me gal were mentioned in the initial post like that

Well there's nothing wrong with having a lot of money if you're doing something good with it, but if you're just sitting there and wasting it on yourself cos you're too much of a ducks-ass to help those in need then you should be shot in the head at point blank range.

Well this be the problem in a society that is obcessed by celebrities...Its this obcession that has created the gap between them and us "normal people", its liike another class system or something...

I blame glossy magazines.

I dont think that all celebrities should be held responsible for this because loads of them do give up a lot of their money to charities. Look at Bill Gates for example. He left all his money to charities and almost nothing for his kids, saying that they had the education to make their way themselves.

Secondly, you have to realise that a lot of this money never makes it to the organization helping these people. There is a lot of corruption on the way down and vastly decreased sums of money finally reach the hands of the organizations. Even within the organization, there can be corruption, so the money never reaches the people who need it.

Thirdly, in a lot of these countries, the kids and people on the streets, never even show up at homes or charities or organizations which have been set up to help them. There are a variety of reasons for this. So even if the money DOES come, it doesnt help them one bit.

Lastly, I dont think that just because they're celebrities, it means that helping out the poor is their joob. Hell no! It wouldnt hurt anyone who has been blessed with a lot, to give up a little of what they have to someone who's not so fortunate. This whole notion of "Its not my job, lets leave it up to the celebrities/politicians/rich people to make a difference in this world" is total bullshit. Everyone needs to do their part and help out. One person, one class of society cant bear all the burdens of the entire society.

I agree. We cant blame all celbrities. Sure, some celbrities abuse their power, but so do some politicians, some businessmen, whatever...

Its glossy magazine culture thats to blame, they have created this idea of utopia which we cant possibly compete with. Theyve created celebrity being a higher class than us when really theyre just normal people who have had more media exposure. Just a shame some celbrities exploit this system to fuck charities and the poor over...

I know that everybody can, and should, help, but it just disgusts me that people seem to care more about David Beckhams latest hairstyle than they do about all these poor innocent people who are dying or watching everybody around them die, its sickening. Its also true that there are too many corrupt people in this world, its a shame that nobody does a damn thing about it. And I send money to a charity for homeless children. And lastly, I agree, it isnt a right frame of mind to think 'fuck it, they've got more money so they can do it, I cant be arsed'. Take Princess Diana for example, a true hero in my books, she used her fame and money etc to go and help all these poor people who were victims of things like dormant land mines etc. We then get all these people who are 'touched and moved' by her campaign to 'help the helpless' then these people show how much they care by going down the shop and buying food for themselves rather than phoning a charity and donating something. So yeah, its everybodies fault that these third-world contries are so desolated and have been for so long, it really wouldnt take much for everybody else to pool together and do something about it. And I do blame the media for this screwed up 'class distinction' thing everybody has apparently fallen prey to, I used to get kids pointing at me and saying ' Goth, freak, etc' and id just look at them and say 'so?' and they couldnt believe I didnt care and wasnt following the stupid 'class distinction' thing. Well why should I, whats the point and what could I possibly gain from being societys puppet?

Hmmm... This topic seems to have changed tracks, oh well...

I was going to go off on a big rant on all the OTHER ways the world is going to hell, but I'm tired and I've spent enough time on the computer for today. I will say a couple things. Okay, great, you like football, and everyone likes movies. But why are actors paid so much more than, say, a teacher? Or a plumber? (although I understand plumbers are paid pretty well) Or a vet? Or even doctors, who get paid very well, but still nowhere near a pro football player? The sort of people we actually NEED, instead of the people who just entertain us, and not even ALL of us, at that? There are so many bands that will never get a penny out of me, but it doesn't matter because there are enough other peole who are willing to pay through the nose and travel across the country just to see them in concert. There is very little I can do other than not buy into it, and, for the homeless thing, give a 10 or 20 when I can spare it. So I just try to stick my head in the sand and pretend it's not happening, because I can't do anything to stop it.

Because the salary paid to people is pretty much proportional to their sale. Now teachers provide education and if you've noticed, a teacher in a rich, preppy school gets paid a lot more than a teacher in a public school in a rundown area. The fees are a lot higher in the private schools because the parents can afford it. In a rundown area, the kids can barely manage to pay for their education.
Actors and sportstars are paid decent salaries, but they get 80% of their money mainly from endorsements. So they're a lot richer than the average person.

That's not necessarily true. A lot of these people DO care about what these kids and refugees are going through, but they think that they cant do anything about it so why try to hurt their consciences even more?

And there are so many bands that you would be willing to pay through the nose and travel across the country just to see them in concert, which THOSE people may not want to. Its all a matter of taste and actually quite irrelevant.

"A lot of these people DO care about what these kids and refugees are going through, but they think that they cant do anything about it so why try to hurt their consciences even more?"
Exactly. Sometimes we just pay attention to trivial things, I think, just to get our minds off of the big, important, but depressing things that we can't really do anything about.
The only thing I can think of that the average person could do to try to make a difference (altho not about this particular thing - I wouldn't march in a picket line that just said 'Less $ for celebrities!) is to try to start a rally or protest. This requires a lot of free time and energy, though, and you risk getting arrested or worse - it seems like a lot of the people who are really successful at that kind of thing, like martin luther king and ghandi, end up getting shot for it.

"And there are so many bands that you would be willing to pay through the nose and travel across the country just to see them in concert, which THOSE people may not want to. Its all a matter of taste and actually quite irrelevant."

Actually, there aren't. I can't imagine ever going to that kind of length just to hear music, no matter who it's by. But you're right, it is pretty irrelevant.

I dont think you're going to find a Gandhi or King in this issue. And rallying and protesting isnt going to help...infact you're just wasting energy and resources which could be used instead for helping those kids. Its a better idea to do your bit, however small, and spread the word to friends and family and get them to do their bit as well. Everyone giving a little push will land up moving a mountain.

Well its really just a matter of taste and. If it was a band I love, I'd do whatever I could to go hear them play.

The world is going to hell cos Im not in charge. Vote preacher for grand despot of the world and its surrounding atmosphere!

Dude, shut the hell up! This is a serious topic asshole, incase you hadnt noticed!

Yaksha....allow me to explain somthing to you...whilst I have not been posting here very much. I have been lurking alot as I tend to do, and I have learned from this, that you appear to be almost cancerous in your ability to kill off things that are going well, especially when you didnt start them, so get lost and dont lecture me.

On the other hand, since I know know and respect the opinions of Venom and Elawen, if they feel I am over the line here, I will remove my remark.

Well would you look at that, there I was thinking I started this thread... Oh wait, I did! And how is me getting pissed off at you for acting like an asshole in one of my serious threads being 'cancerous' and how have you come to the conclusion im 'cancerous' anyway, considering I hardly ever post?

EDIT: Sorry Preacher, didnt know, i've edited the word out

I said what I have to say. until I hear from Venom or Elawen, i will be ignoring this, so don't bother replying.
One last thing, i know somone who is mentally disadvantaged, and the term retard is an offensive slang term for this person, I don't care if you throw your little temper tanturms at me, but stop using that word.

Ok, both of you, down!!

Yaksha, Preacher has a right to express his opinion..even if he's joking (Preacher, dont interrupt me and say "But I am serious!!"). Too much seriousness is not healthy.

Preacher, you're welcome to joke around, but post a serious opinion as well if you have one.

This is a warning to you and everyone else on this forum: you're welcome to post in the threads in this forum, but none of the admins will tolerate namecalling so please watch yourself. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, as long as it doesnt fall in the morally incorrect category. I also suggest everyone reads the rules, because the admins will use their powers!

I was a lil angry at the time I read yakshas response to my posts, so the perpetuation of the row is to soem extent my fault. I hope there is no resentment.