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|Posted by: Bazookafied Jun 1 2006, 04:59 PM|
| Though its technically not a Mobile Suit, its important enough to the series that we research this beautiful cruiser!
Recently, with the discovery of the AoZ Official Artbook, we've come up with some nice lineart detailing the Aswan as well as its Alexandria cousin. There are key differences and some abilities I wasn't familiar with and I'm sure most of you weren't either.
This lineart shows us ALOT about the Aswan's capabilities. It appears to have a docking craft at the top of the bridge. Its tail can act as a boom to connect with large MS like the Bigwig that is shown and probably the other large TTT units like the Keehar, Dandelion, and Fiver. Because of its position on the bridge, the Aswan's cannons on the top have been moved forward. There are a few other structural differences we can see between the Alexandoria and the Aswan.
The Boom that connects the front of the bridge to the MS Hangar is slightly different. The Aswan's appears to have "wings", possibly just reenforcement, along the sides while the Alexandria's lacks these.
The rear of the Bridge on the Aswan is modified for MS docking as well as the docking craft that makes up the top portion of the bridge. The Alexandria simply has two smaller booms and no docking craft.
The Aswan's boosters on either side of the ship have additional turrets on the top. The Alexandria appears to only have one on the top of each one and one on each side.
The most notable is the MS Hangar at the front. The Alexandoria seems to have one big door for the hangar. However, the Aswan seems to have a less streamlined double door design. This may be just the different mechanical designer's style, but almost all of the proportions on the Aswan seem wider than the Alexandoria. The Bridge, the side thrusters, especially the MS launch and loading deck. Still, the launch deck of the Aswan is still heavily modifed from its Alexandoria Cousin.
The original that we gathered this data from can be found http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y184/Bazookafied/476092407.jpg.
|Posted by: trioknight Jun 1 2006, 06:19 PM|
| I don't have any of my reference material handy at the moment, but the hangar structure of the Aswan seems almost identical to that glimpsed on the Al Giza at the end of 0083. At the very least, they've both got the double doors as opposed to the Alexandria's single. Looking at the profile shot you can see where the hangar has been extended beyond the Alex's.
I know the Alex did have a small-craft bay that's not visible in this particular shot of it; the Newtype 100% Zeta Mechanics 1 book identifies it as a space launch deck. It's certainly no where near as large as the one that the Aswan has been fitted with, though.
This furthers a nagging thought I've had for a while that no two Alexandria-class ships are built exactly alike. These modifications to the design strike me as being down the same line as the additional "sail" built onto the top of the Hario. Very interesting.
|Posted by: ninjascience Jun 1 2006, 07:29 PM|
| waha! just noticed something new...
if you look closely at side view in the top left corner of the detail pics, it shows arrows coming off the top and bottom hangar area. Looking at the large view and comparing it with the standard Alexandria, that front hangar is a bolt-on extra bit, same with the structural strut under the bridge!
Following the same cues on the side view, I think the pink parts in the back are other bolted on additions.
EDIT: for some reason I can't scroll all the way to the right on this page and missed your comment trio on the hangar extension. Great first post btw and welcome to the forum!
Are there any pics out there of the other Alexandria class ships you mentioned?
|Posted by: Zionista Jun 2 2006, 08:07 PM|
| In Ecole du Ciel # 7 & 8, there is another Alexandria class ship that carries around certain of the cast members who ended up with the Titans. I will have to ask Dominion-san for the name, since I cannot remember it right now. We'll see if it matches the title ship of the class, or has its own features. Actually, it is not unusual for different ships of the same class to have different appearances due to mission requirements or the addition of desired modifications while that ship was having maintenance performed between cruises. So the dvarying small details between members of this class would be expected. (Useful too, if you happen to be a veteran sailor. it's nice to know which ship ou are about to fight, or not fight, as the case might be.)
|Posted by: wavehawk Jun 3 2006, 07:01 AM|
| I'll have to go with the Aswan's double doors for the MS Hangar. That's a lot more reassuring that there's less chance of stray shots or debris flying into the hangar during combat. That also means that if one of the catapaults is busted on the ship, the doors can cover that section, so as to block any entry to the hangar (the regular Alexandria, thus, has a LOT to worry about when opening up it's decks for launch).
One other note: the large pods/dimples on the forward front sides of the Alexandria-class ship deck--on the Aswan, they seem to have openings. Torpedo/missile tubes, perhaps?
And I apologize to Zionista: I used to have Navy ROTC training back in College--almost all of the Seamanship in me has been forgotten now. Sorry. ;;;
|Posted by: trioknight Jun 3 2006, 05:17 PM|
Here is the http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c247/trioknight/AlGiza.jpg as she appears at the end of 0083. The more I compare the two, the more design features I'm finding in common with the Aswan. Turret placement seems identical as does the boom between the hangar block and the bridge section.
As far as I can tell, the ship that shows up in Ecole is pretty much identical to the Alexandria herself. Unfortunately, all I've seen of it (the kana of it's name is "a-ru-ka-su-ru," and I can't figure out what that romanizes as) are ventral shots so if Mikimoto and his assistants did anything different with the dorsal side of the ship, I haven't seen it. *shrug*
|Posted by: toysdream Jun 4 2006, 03:30 AM|
You're absolutely right. In addition to the hangar doors, the extra gun turrets, and the "shelves" on the boom connecting the hangar to the bridge, both ships appear to have identical bridges, right down to the sideways-pointing antennas on top. (I think the antennas and the crane on the back are permanently attached rather than forming some kind of detachable crane-and-antenna vehicle - that one line art image where we see them detached is probably just so we can see the detailing underneath.)
Other than its general resemblance to the Al Giza, the Aswan's main distinctive features are the crane and expanded hangar installed on the rear of the bridge section. These are meant for use with test units like the TR-2 Bigwig.
The Alexandria-class ship in Ecole du Ciel, meanwhile, is named Al Qasr. (Or at least that's the real-world place name which matches those kana.)
|Posted by: ninjascience Jun 5 2006, 08:22 PM|
|now that I look at the front view of the Aswan, I agree, the 'craft' on top doesn't look very detachable. Too bad, Bazookafied and I were really excited about that.|
|Posted by: Zionista Jun 6 2006, 07:28 PM|
No big deal, it was a lessong hammered home to me in a phase where I was reading up on WW I & II naval operations. Discerning the ID of given ships could mean the difference between victory and defeat, and I have no reason to believe that the UC would be any different in that aspect.
Trioknight; It does seem at this time that Al-Qasr does not have many distinguishing characteristics. Perhaps we will see it acquire some in the future.
|Posted by: Bazookafied Aug 28 2006, 04:23 PM|
| I wonder if as the series goes... we see so many of the mobile suits constantly changing, adding forms, adding parts, new craft like the Hrududu and now this http://z7.invisionfree.com/Titans_Test_Team/index.php?showtopic=831 coming into view... do you think that the internals or even some externals of the Aswan have changed?
I haven't heard anything in the story thus far about it, but at this point, there are alot of variations and mobile suits... the Fiver is already a big hunk of space, the Hazels, their option parts... do they just not keep everything on the Aswan or at this point in the series are they operating from a certain base or something of that sort?
|Posted by: Bazookafied Feb 21 2007, 04:13 AM|
| I found something AGAIN! GOSH theres so much to AoZ!
I've been looking for a colored version of the Aswan for some time now and I've yet to find it until I realized its right under our noses!
This is taken from the episode where the Hazel gets all beat up by Stutzer wires and the Hazel II is deployed. In the background of the picture you can clearly see an Alexandria-class ship painted in what seems to be the TTT Pinstripe paintjob. However, I can't make out enough of the Aswan's distinct features to see if its actually the Aswan or if its just a TTT painted Alexandria class ship.
What do you guys think?
|Posted by: ProtoMMC Feb 22 2007, 11:44 AM|
| I remember seeing another colour Aswan somewhere else other than in this picture. I can't seem to recall where that was from, though because i could distinctively recognise its colour scheme in this picture so clearly i knew beforehand how it looked like....
I just gotta think where...
|Posted by: poiuywired Feb 22 2007, 04:08 PM|
| I am pretty sure DHM have painted up a Aswan or two. Problem is where did they post them. Usually they would post their newly constructed models on the pages after the story. For those who like to keep DHMs, please check for us?
As for me? No, I started buying my own DHM during the debut of Fiver, so no luck.
|Posted by: Bazookafied Feb 22 2007, 04:28 PM|
| I think I've seen just about every page there is of AoZ and I can safely say that I've never seen a picture of a painted ship. They only show the mobile suits. We would've seen a battleship or craft by now. They just haven't shown them.
Plus... IS there a kit of the Alexandria? I don't think theres one of it out, so either that Aswan in the back is simply a painting or a mock-up model kit, we haven't seen it.
|Posted by: codename:V Feb 22 2007, 05:29 PM|
| Sooner or later, there might be a EX model of a Alexandria class...
Besides, the links are broken, man.
|Posted by: Bazookafied Feb 22 2007, 05:53 PM|
| Just the links from when we started this reaseach back in June. I'll fix those links.
I still doubt we'll see an EX model of the Aswan, let alone the Alexandria.
|Posted by: ProtoMMC Feb 23 2007, 01:03 AM|
|Well I must've seen it somewhere before to have known that colour-scheme on the Aswan...I'll try find something out...Perhaps it wasn't an official drawing.|
|Posted by: Bazookafied Feb 23 2007, 03:17 AM|
What wasn't an official drawing? The image I posted?
That image is pulled directly from the photonovel.
|Posted by: ProtoMMC Feb 23 2007, 07:13 AM|
| What I meant was whatever the picture that I saw to let me know of the Aswan's colour scheme before even seeing the picture you extracted from a photo novel.
There must've been some sort of model or picture that I saw to have let me known the colourscheme of the Aswan...Unless it just appeared in my dream.
|Posted by: Nowhere Man Feb 23 2007, 11:38 PM|
|The image may be a little sketchy, but for all intents and purposes, I'm sure that it's meant to be the Aswan. After all, the RX-121-2 Gundam TR-1 Hazel II is flying away from it in that shot: it's kind of implied that it was launched from the Alexandria-class in the background, I guess.|
|Posted by: Bazookafied Feb 25 2007, 08:31 PM|
| That makes sense.
lol another question about the Aswan.
Where did the Aswan get it's name? I'm thinking the Titans named ships afterold empires. The Alexandria... Alexander the Great conquered many large cities and renamed them "Alexandria". Aswan is a great Egyptian city near the Red Sea. I Google image searched "Aswan" and either got images of the City of Aswan or a picture of "A Swan".
|Posted by: trioknight Feb 25 2007, 09:29 PM|
|The general trend of Alexandria naming seems to follow a pattern of Egyptian/Northern African cities. The Alexandria itself, the Al Giza from 0083, and Ecole du Ciel's Al Qasr, named after a city in Morocco. The only odd one out in the series is the Hario which seems to be named after a Japanese glass company... But given the pattern, I'd say it's safe to say the Aswan is named for the city.|
|Posted by: Bazookafied Dec 3 2009, 04:49 AM|
| I think I may have found evidence of color line art of the Aswan. I know the Aswan Kai and variations thereof got color line art, but I've only seen black and white line art of the Aswan. Take a look at the center of this Ship size chart. Its sitting right next to an Alexandria class ship.
Can anyone find a larger version of that color line art?
|Posted by: HomelessGal Dec 3 2009, 05:14 AM|
| Just did a quick scan from volume 6:
Its not the lineart used in that picture, but I suppose it can temp until someone tracks that down?
|Posted by: ninjascience Dec 11 2009, 05:05 PM|
|they may have custom colored the lineart just for that pic. I don't have my image library with me, but I'll check when I can.|
|Posted by: Bazookafied Dec 11 2009, 07:04 PM|
| Of the times I've checked through your images on Flickr, I've yet to see something like this. I wonder if it even came from an AoZ publication at all... if it were featured somewhere else even.
Go ahead and check, but I don't think it's posted online at all.
|Posted by: chaosdoc Dec 14 2009, 08:14 AM|
| Hello again to all...
I think that small image may be from a recent "Ships of the UC" trading figure line, I vaguely remember it being one of the six in a set, maybe?
Good to see traffic here again! Got some 1/144 surprises coming... all TTT this time round.
update... check this http://ngeekhiong.blogspot.com/2009/06/cosmo-fleet-collection-act-3-others.html to Ngee's site look at the bottom right row, it says "Alexandria" but look at the color scheme, what do you think?
|Posted by: Bazookafied Dec 14 2009, 03:26 PM|
| Chaosdoc! So good to see you back here! Looking forward to what you've got in store for us!
I think it's just the stock Alexandria, even though it is "two tone", the Alexandria always was. It had that purple and off-purple color scheme. Plus, if it were the Aswan, it'd have a modified deck and main tower. We would also probably see the yellow Pinstripe somewhere on the paint job. However, I think you might be onto something with that "Ships of UC" thing. Anyone have any sources on that?
|Posted by: chaosdoc Dec 14 2009, 08:57 PM|
| Its nice to see this forum active again...
Good eye on the yellow stripe, it has been a long time eh?