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Posted by: Kirbykun May 26 2006, 05:45 PM
Gaplant "Fiver" Core-Unit

Founded on 2Chan. On the Gaplant notably is the Drum-frame Arm replace
by the shield booster and the Long Blade Rifle attach to the crouch port
by a movable frame in an exact fashion as the Beam Smart Gun mount on the Ex-S Gundam.
( I got this feeling that the TR-6 might actually be that big guy
as toydreams suggest wink.gif )

On the left side is an explanation for the Fiverís Winch Unit. The text say
it compose of an Hrududu nose sensor, Winch Unit and the Grip.
The Winch Unit itself contain two small nozzle so the whole unit
can be operate by itself. But the Winch has an opening on the Hrududu
connecters so it can mount the shield booster as an extra protection
and thruster.

The picture at the bottom right is particularly interesting, Hrududu Winch Unit Mounted,
it says. The back of the Hrududu equip with the Winch Unit.
Thatís a Hambrabi references laugh.gif .

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Posted by: Bazookafied May 27 2006, 01:25 AM
I KNEW those Shield Boosters were related to the Gaplant! Great Find! Do we have any pictures of it in its normal MS Form?

Posted by: ninjascience May 27 2006, 03:24 AM
see also the Fiver thread with some pics of the model, those should be moved here me thinks.

also, the very bottom of the page cuts off a caption about the Hrududu w/ Winch unit, I can see the very edge of a hrududu wing unit there, perhaps this winch unit is used in the "smooth docking" we know will be involved in the TR-6?

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Posted by: Master P Rayer May 30 2006, 12:48 PM
The lack of beam cannons on the tip of those shield boosters were compensated with a long blade rifle, nice variation! Maybe you can exchange the shield booster with the one from Advanced Hazel, or the missile launcher version from TR-5 Fiver.

Posted by: hibiki tokai May 30 2006, 03:49 PM
where do these pages come from? I bought the latest issue of advance of zeta and there are almost no pages about the gaplant...

Posted by: ninjascience May 30 2006, 04:29 PM
The Advance of Zeta books are just compilations of what is released every month in Dengeki Hobby Magazine.

Posted by: Odin Jun 13 2006, 03:38 PM
This suit looks really good. Does anyone have scans of its pages in July's Dengenki?

http://www.hlj.com/product/MDWMAG0607

This was linked over in the Fiver thread and I was just curious if anyone can get larger images so we can get a better look.

Posted by: Bazookafied Jun 14 2006, 03:46 PM
Whoa... never noticed that! Finally! The Fiver in its normal MS Mode! You're right, Odin, we need those images!

Posted by: ninjascience Jun 14 2006, 03:51 PM
we only have what's in the first post in this thread. In a week or so though, I'll be getting that DHM from my local Kinokuniya and then we'll have nice crisp scans of both the new chunky Rosettes and the Fiver "Core Unit".

Posted by: Bazookafied Jun 15 2006, 03:22 PM
If I recall correctly, there were wire-guided shields on the Fiver in its enhanced MA and MS form. Do the shields on this have the same use?

Posted by: Master P Rayer Jun 16 2006, 04:18 AM
I think this one(i'm talking about the shield) is the normal one, i can't see any aditional parts resembling wire-guided launching device.

Posted by: sandrum Jun 17 2006, 02:11 AM
I talked with ninjascience earlier in trying to get good shots, but I don't have a scanner. This is the best I could do. I guess NS will get us some good scans later, but in case there are those who would like to see a bit more...

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Posted by: Bazookafied Jun 17 2006, 04:15 AM
Even without a scanner, those are pretty good! Thanks for the scans Sandrum!

Looks like they're explaining the connection between the Hrududu and the Fiver? Or maybe this is about the wire-guided shields? I know the TTT Gaplant doesn't have them on the sides, but perhaps this is explaining a Hrududu with wire guided tech.

Posted by: ninjascience Jun 17 2006, 05:13 AM
sweetness! you rock man. I love the Fujioka illustration of the original
Gaplant. Looks like the winch unit on the Hrududu launch just the sensor nose? not sure what the point of that is.

Posted by: Odin Jun 18 2006, 01:09 AM
Awesome pics, sandrum. The Gaplant is one of my favorite Zeta suits and I really like its AoZ design. Perhaps that's because the core unit doesn't really depart much from the suit's original design.

Does the core unit have any form of melee weapons or does its Long Blade Rifle fulfill both roles? I mean, since it's a test unit, and the unit is meant to be tested using the Fiver, I'd be inclined to think it is lacking beam sabers or something of the like. Does it say anything on any of the scanned pages?

Posted by: Bazookafied Jul 1 2006, 05:20 AM
If memory serves me right, the sabers on the unmodified Gaplant are in its shields. However, the shields on our AoZ Gaplant are simply shield boosters with no weaponry or beam saber storage. I'm pretty sure the long blade rifle can accomplish this, but also think...

...how effective would beam sabers be in a dive bombing mission? This Fiver seems to be compeltely centered around that role, so things like beam sabers are kind of pointless to have.

Posted by: Odin Jul 2 2006, 10:37 PM
Actually, the standard Gaplant's sabers are stored in its hips. The hips on this unit seem to be identical, which prompted my questioning its melee capabilities. I had thought that since design-wise the "recharge racks" were there, maybe they were put into use.

But I agree, a unit made primarily for dive-bombing, as well as being a test unit, would probably not carry beam sabers. In a successful mission, the Fiver shouldn't be on the battlefield long enough to engage in close combat.

But while my knowledge of aeroplanes is sketchy, I believe that most bombers, at least during the WWII era, were equipped with machineguns. Then again, I don't know if a parallel could really be made between a machinegun and a sword. I'm just trying to say that even a unit that focuses on one specific role should be somewhat capable of doing other things because in the field, anything could happen.

Posted by: Zionista Aug 3 2006, 07:47 PM
QUOTE (Bazookafied @ Jul 1 2006, 05:20 AM)
If memory serves me right, the sabers on the unmodified Gaplant are in its shields. However, the shields on our AoZ Gaplant are simply shield boosters with no weaponry or beam saber storage. I'm pretty sure the long blade rifle can accomplish this, but also think...

...how effective would beam sabers be in a dive bombing mission? This Fiver seems to be compeltely centered around that role, so things like beam sabers are kind of pointless to have.

There's always room for beam sabers! Small, don't take up much space, no need for ammo, and they can be popped out at a moment's notice! Which is good, because if beam sabers are required, it means close combat is, well...close. The nice thing about them is that you can turn a near-intersect vector with your target into a ripping beam-pass with the "hot knife through butter" if you get a good hit. The oopponent's only real counter is to parry or get out of the way. (Shooting back at you is Right Out, since a missed shot means a certain hit, and a direct hit could mean eating your explosion.0

IIRC in the 5.5 story shown us by ninjascience, the Asshimar and Fiver-Gaplant were in close proximity to each other. That could have turned into a slashing pass if either pilot had desired it, though neither one seems to have taken the opportunity.

Posted by: ninjascience Aug 16 2006, 06:38 PM
New Gaplant image from the Sept. DHM scanned by Wavehawk.

Not much new info in the artwork itself, but there's some nice detail on the head. Just seeting the Fujioka version of the original Gaplant makes me wish he'd redraw all the UC MS!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ninjascience/214657249/

Posted by: ninjascience Oct 9 2006, 10:30 PM
got some questions here:

Gaplant Profile on MAHQ...


Propulsion: rocket thrusters: 22000 kg, 7 x 12000 kg, 7 x 11000 kg; booster additional rocket engines: 19000 kg, 2 x 12000 kg, 2 x 8800 kg; vernier thrusters/apogee motors: 18
Performance: maximum thruster acceleration 1.94 G (mobile suit mode, mobile armor mode), 0.29 G (mobile armor mode with booster)
Fixed armaments: 2 x beam saber, power rated at 0.6 MW, stored in recharge racks in hip armor, hand-carried in use; 2 x beam rifle, power rated at 3.0 MW, mounted on arms

first question: of the thruster listed here: which ones are the original booster/beam gun units? If we could subtract those we could add the Shield Booster thrusters to get the stats for the AoZ version. Are there any other additional thrusters?
second question: the beam sabers are noted as mounted in the hips, so I assume the AoZ version has them too, but I can't tell from the lineart.


Posted by: toysdream Oct 9 2006, 11:02 PM
QUOTE (ninjascience @ Oct 9 2006, 03:30 PM)
first question: of the thruster listed here: which ones are the original booster/beam gun units? If we could subtract those we could add the Shield Booster thrusters to get the stats for the AoZ version. Are there any other additional thrusters?

The standard Gaplant has two thrusters in each shield, but it's not clear whether they're 11,000 or 12,000 kg thrusters. Since these thrusters are replaced by the single 22,000 kg thruster in each shield booster, the TR-5 version would either have the same total thrust as the standard Gaplant, or 4,000 kg less.

When it comes to the weight, though, all bets are off. We have no way of knowing how the weight of a Hazel-style shield booster compares to that of a standard Gaplant shield, and the TR-5 version also carries a long beam rifle since it doesn't have any other ranged weapons. Since we don't know its exact thruster output, and can't even guess at its weight, it's impossible for us to estimate its overall performance.

-- Mark

Posted by: ninjascience Oct 10 2006, 02:22 AM
yeah, I knew the weight would remain a mystery because of the shield boosters.

If I were to guess, I'd say the original shields were 11,000, but that's not good enough for the wiki of course ;-)

Posted by: Bazookafied Oct 18 2006, 02:11 AM
The only two major differences between the normal Gaplant and the AoZ Fiver are those sheilds and the head unit...

And we know that we can't really get solid data on the sturm shields, but do we have any data on the Hazel Head crest that is used on the Fiver's head unit?

Posted by: no3ljm Oct 19 2006, 06:40 AM
i have some questions after i saw these prototype photos of HGUC Gaplant TR-5.
what's that thing on his shoulders? missile pods? and how come the front skirt armor
is different from the photo that ninjascience posted awhile ago?

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Posted by: Bazookafied Oct 19 2006, 02:11 PM
Perhaps new systems that we haven't even seen in the lineart yet. Heck, we've got that Primrose Core coming from DK Hobby, but that hasn't even appeared in action yet.

Posted by: ninjascience Oct 19 2006, 04:22 PM
yes! it is a new system! if you look closely at the lineart on the card, it matches the model :-) nice find no3ljm!!!

In addition to the pods on the shoulders and the skirt armor, I noticed that the original gaplant boosters are mounted rather than shield boosters.

The card also shows pics of the model in MA, but it's really hard to make out any details. I can also see the new shield/beam cannon unit from the primrose in one of the pics. Looks like it's mounted on the back.

Posted by: ninjascience Oct 19 2006, 04:46 PM
found another pic:

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okay, woa, crazzy stuff here.

1. Look at the top ridge on those pods in the lineart. They are not the same. The pod fronts aren't the same either. The right-hand one looks like it opens, while the left doesn't. I bet this is a new version of the Hrududu.

2. Check out the bottom photos, second from the right. BIG HANDS?! WTF?

3. Top two photos, show the skirt armor additions converting to the primrose shield/cannon? The katakana says 're-arm'. Is it some kind of subarm?


hmmm, could this be a component of a larger MS that is the TR-6?

Posted by: no3ljm Oct 19 2006, 05:06 PM
QUOTE (ninjascience @ Oct 19 2006, 04:46 PM)
1. Look at the top ridge on those pods in the lineart.  They are not the same. The pod fronts aren't the same either.  The right-hand one looks like it opens, while the left doesn't.  I bet this is a new version of the Hrududu.

2. Check out the bottom photos, second from the right.  BIG HANDS?!  WTF?

3. Top two photos, show the skirt armor additions converting to the primrose shield/cannon?  The katakana says 're-arm'.  Is it some kind of subarm?

hmmm, could this be a component of a larger MS that is the TR-6?

saw that picture too before. i'm guessing based on the insets what's the feature on this kit. hehehe. laugh.gif

have some additional on your 3 inquiries:

1. yup, the right pod looks like it has some claw/teeth thing like the ones in Hrududu. well, atleast, we don't need to buy a seperate 'hrududu-kind' kit for this Gaplant. it's included already. good job, bandai & dengeki. wink.gif

2. hahahaha!!! you saw that too. the big hands ala Psycho-Gundam's sized hands. i think it's connected to the Gaplant's rear area of the shield. am i correct?

3. minor correction on the katakana. i think it's not 're-arm', it's 'rear armor'. my kanji-reading is bad, so i'm guessing based on what i read, the 'rear armor' has a 'flexing capability'. the katakana reads 'furekisiburu. wink.gif

and what's the TR-6 unit? thanks. biggrin.gif


Posted by: ninjascience Oct 19 2006, 05:20 PM
ah yes, ria ama = rear armor (I misread the ma as mu)

It does look like the hands are on the rear of the shields, but that just seems bizarre.

the TR-6 is a mystery unit that's been referred to but nobody has seen yet.

more info here: http://z7.invisionfree.com/Titans_Test_Team/index.php?showtopic=685

Posted by: no3ljm Oct 19 2006, 05:30 PM
here's some photos i posted in the http://z7.invisionfree.com/Titans_Test_Team/index.php?showtopic=603&st=690&#last thread, ninjascience.
now, we can study the new Gaplant based on some close-up photos. hehehe. laugh.gif

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Posted by: Char Aznable Oct 20 2006, 12:06 AM
Did anyone beside me notice the new uhh...gun? you see the normal one with the Hrududu add-ons lying on the table, but the suit, is carrying a different version.

Posted by: Auriga Oct 20 2006, 12:26 AM
Yup, I noticed it. It seems they engineered a more stable design, as the one from the HRUDUDU is quite flimsy... I kinda like it, too.

If anything, it seems that this model has not only caused excitement, but it has also created very intriguing mysteries, some of which have already been pointed out. I'm mostly curious about those pods and the skirts...

Posted by: Master P Rayer Oct 20 2006, 11:27 AM
This Fiver could be introduced after the creation of Primrose, that means AOZ still have a long way to go, we haven't seen TR-6 yet, but they keep introducing more MS.

About that new long blade rifle.... why they bother making another rifle while you can just use usual hazel beam rifle?

Posted by: Bazookafied Oct 20 2006, 02:34 PM
Perhaps the Hazel's Rifle design isn't 'cutting' it anymore. Its been around for a long while and the Mk II Gundam is already outclassed in firepower and such. I can only imagine how behind the Hazel's rifle is.

Posted by: no3ljm Oct 20 2006, 04:19 PM
i kinda like this rifle too. it has some kind of hand guard. laugh.gif

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Posted by: Bazookafied Oct 21 2006, 03:37 AM
That rifle... it looks like a simple trigger module for the Blade Rifle we see on the Hrududu. However, it lacks an e-cap clip... it might just be the firing mechanism for MS Hand use instead of being mounted on the Hrududu itself... which makes sense to me.

If thats the case, I wonder if the mechanism itself has any firing power like the Hazel Rifle would... or if its specifically designed for this rifle alone?

Posted by: Kirbykun Oct 27 2006, 08:18 AM
More pics from 2chan's.
Comparisons between the hazel's equipment and the new fiver
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and THIS
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Posted by: ninjascience Oct 27 2006, 03:28 PM
nice find!

ohhhh, that new head is wicked looking. Between that and the Advanced Hazel, I think the TTT has some really evil looking MS.

here have another: user posted image

Posted by: Bazookafied Oct 27 2006, 03:56 PM
Psycho Gundams arms... just like in that picture by the HGUC Gaplant Fiver we saw... and a different set of arms... like the Zeongs? They look like cannons too, but the arms look more like they're designed like the shield boosters.

Wow... this Fiver is quite the goodie-bag. Who knew?

Posted by: ninjascience Oct 27 2006, 05:52 PM
couple more observations now that I've had a moment to really look at it.

That new head is like the Adv. Hazel visor in that is covers the existing head, I think.

The second big armed gaplant does indeed have some shield booster looking things as the arms. Each of those is mounted on a drum frame, which was used as a central mechism in the Dandelion, the Fiver and both Keehars. The wireguided hands on the lower guy looks pretty cool too.

Posted by: Bazookafied Oct 27 2006, 06:01 PM
I really question the functionality of those Psycho Gundam arms on there...

I know those hands have powerful beam cannons, but the idea of putting those massive arms on there just to have that firepower seems sketchy to me. Those wire guided arm extensions could be a refined version of this and the psycho gundam arms could've just been the idea?

Posted by: ninjascience Oct 27 2006, 11:29 PM
I think the strong black lines on that back unit is a mono-eye track. I wonder if that piece ends up at the front in MA mode.

Again I wonder, is this a part of the new TR-6?

Posted by: wavehawk Oct 28 2006, 04:57 AM
All we need now are SD plushies of the Hazels and Fiver, and you've got me an AoZ fanatic for life. tongue.gif

Posted by: wavehawk Nov 11 2006, 05:10 AM
I just got the December issue of DHM, and some notes:

Apparently, the two shoulder-mounted 'pods' aren't pods at all but a development of the Hrududu's 'wings'...the right shoulder unit is a claw arm that can mount the Long Blade Rifle in the same way as the Hrududu's claw wing. The left shoulder is very much like the Hrududu's right wing. In fact, some of the lineart in DHM shows the two pods being placed on the Hrududu in place of the normal wings.

Posted by: Bazookafied Nov 11 2006, 05:46 AM
OH!!! That makes alot of sense. They're just so much smaller than the other Hrududu binders that I didn't think of it like that.

Posted by: Cyber-kun Nov 12 2006, 05:30 AM
QUOTE (ninjascience @ Oct 27 2006, 03:28 PM)
nice find!

ohhhh, that new head is wicked looking. Between that and the Advanced Hazel, I think the TTT has some really evil looking MS.

here have another: user posted image

I knew I kept my broken HGUC Psyco for a reason...

Posted by: Auriga Nov 12 2006, 07:59 AM
QUOTE

Apparently, the two shoulder-mounted 'pods' aren't pods at all but a development of the Hrududu's 'wings'...the right shoulder unit is a claw arm that can mount the Long Blade Rifle in the same way as the Hrududu's claw wing. The left shoulder is very much like the Hrududu's right wing. In fact, some of the lineart in DHM shows the two pods being placed on the Hrududu in place of the normal wings.


It seems someone was right... I remember them pointing out that one of the pods had "teeth," just like one of the Hrududu's wings.

Posted by: Char Aznable Nov 19 2006, 01:51 AM
Guys, i thought of something. would the fiver lineart we see in the HGUC pic's be considered and upgrade or a new unit? I mean tthe origianl fiver is just a white gaplant with the hurdudu rifle but this has new everything....


just something i was pondering on today.

Posted by: Master P Rayer Nov 19 2006, 01:19 PM
I think it's still the original fiver core unit, but with extra removable armor and equipment. The Psycho Gundam Arms could also just an added parts.

Posted by: ninjascience Nov 20 2006, 05:36 PM
I've got scans of the new Gaplant lineart. There is so much detail here I don't even know where to begin. I'm not going to even try and point out all the cool stuff I've spotted right now.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ninjascience/302031500/
MS Mode

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Rear sub-arm. It has just one in the back.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ninjascience/302032833/
Thruster-type (as opposed to claw-type) pod. Can attach to the new beam-cannon shield that comes with the primrose via a winch.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ninjascience/302032869/
Various detail shots, including the claw-type pod and the front sub-arms.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ninjascience/302032892/
MA Mode plus details of the new beam rifle and other stuff. Also shows the Hrududu with the new pods and the Advanced Hazel with the new pods (lower left).

Posted by: Char Aznable Nov 20 2006, 09:05 PM
*Passes out for blood loss*

Nice scans, now we get to the fun part of figuring out what all the goodies are.

Posted by: ninjascience Nov 21 2006, 06:27 PM
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This shows detail of the front skirt armor and the sub-arms. It shows that each side has a scattering beam gun (and shows how the Gabthley has the same feature).

There's some detail on the sub-arm as well, but from what I've seen in these pics, it doesn't have nearly the range of movement the Hazel sub-arm does. None of the new artwork shows the sub-arms holding anything, except for the color shot of MA mode from underneath, it looks like it's holding part of the frame.

Another interesting thing here: the bottom right shows an alternate version that fires missles instead of having a sub-arm.

btw, All the artwork from this latest issue is now in my flickr account, all clean and nice.

Posted by: Char Aznable Nov 21 2006, 06:45 PM
NICE *saves large version of the fiver*

So, hip SBG's and an ulternate skirt...Interesting.

I looked at the "Psyco Fiver" and it didn't have the missles skirt. So i guess it's just a different configuration...

Posted by: ninjascience Nov 21 2006, 06:53 PM
speaking of the psycho version...

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I noticed the one on the bottom has standard skirt armor, but extra armor on the chest. Also, the shoulders stick way out from the body.

Except for the big mono-eye track, I can make out what the big rear unit is. Do the curved pieces connect to the back of the large shield arms?

Posted by: Char Aznable Nov 21 2006, 07:11 PM
Yes i believe so. There should be a scan some where.

It actually looks to be a big booster/guided arm attachment... type of...thingy.

Posted by: ninjascience Nov 21 2006, 07:15 PM
As far as I know, this is the only image that shows the unit on the bottom. I know we have a smaller one from a couple of weeks ago, but it's the same image.

Posted by: Char Aznable Nov 21 2006, 07:33 PM
I also wanna talk about this variant.

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Is it maye for long range sniping ops? or is it just for better vision?

Posted by: ninjascience Nov 21 2006, 07:56 PM
I noticed something about this one while scanning today. I think everybody assumed the big rod dot was an eye, but when have eyes in AoZ every been red? They are always blue-green. Could this be a beam gun? There's a little slit below the big red dot, that could be a mono-eye track if indeed this is a beam gun.

Posted by: Char Aznable Nov 21 2006, 09:31 PM
Well it reminds me of the advanced hazels head thats what i was thinking it may be used for long range.

Posted by: Bazookafied Nov 21 2006, 09:36 PM
QUOTE (Char Aznable @ Nov 21 2006, 03:31 PM)
Well it reminds me of the advanced hazels head thats what i was thinking it may be used for long range.

Perhaps its both of what you two are talking about...

Think about it... the top portion of the Gaplant Fiver's head is exposed when in MA Mode. The head could have a drop-down style sensor like the Advanced Hazels' Visor has, but that top part could still be very useable as a beam cannon when in MS or MA form.

Posted by: ninjascience Nov 21 2006, 09:36 PM
I think it definitly is like the Adv. Hazel visor in that it goes over the existing face, but whether or not it's for long range depends on what the big red dot is: gun or sensor.

Posted by: Char Aznable Nov 21 2006, 09:50 PM
where there and titans suits that had the head cannon? i thought ZZ was the first suit to have it?

Posted by: Master P Rayer Nov 22 2006, 03:22 AM
It's getting hot here, i think that large red visor is just a large camera for longer range than Adv Hazel.

Hi Mega Cannon require more than just simple configuration, even FAZZ don't have Hi Mega Cannon.

Posted by: Sprigaan Nov 22 2006, 06:27 AM
QUOTE (ninjascience @ Nov 21 2006, 09:36 PM)
I think it definitly is like the Adv. Hazel visor in that it goes over the existing face, but whether or not it's for long range depends on what the big red dot is: gun or sensor.

Look at the pics, my opinion is its definitely a visor (better version than Adv Hazel?)

Maybe this is a scout variant?

Posted by: Odin Nov 22 2006, 07:46 AM
I am inclined to believe that the visor is there to enhance the machines sensors. I just don't think it'd be practical for this suit to have a Hi Mega Cannon or any sort of weapon in its head. I really think it's more of a case where they're applying the Gaplant's agility and speed to scouting missions.

Also, though I can't think of an immediate examples, hasn't there been at least one or two other mobile suits that have had the enormous monoeye sensor that was used as a scout? I have the mental picture of the suit's head in my mind, but I just can't come up with a name or where it's from. I hate when that happens...

Though, I would think a mobile suit such as the Asshimar would be more practical in use for reconnaissance. Either way, yeah, I think the head gear is a sensor based upgrade and not a weapon of some sort.

Posted by: ninjascience Nov 22 2006, 04:39 PM
Here's another of the neat new features. The new beam rifle and its bracket for mounting shield boosters...

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I like how the shield boosters swing down to form one big shield while the MS sets up a shot.

Those are the same latches on the bracket seen throughout the TTT design series, so concieivably, this could mount more than just shield boosters. We've seen other instances of missle pods, cannons, radome units, etc.

I sweet variation would be a scattering beam gun type shield booster one side, and a radome unit on the other, with the long blad rifle parts attached.

Posted by: Char Aznable Nov 22 2006, 05:21 PM
Thats actually a pretty smart design. Well, looks like i'll be buying the advanced hazel after all since it doesn't look like the fiver will have the shields.

anyway so they replaced the winch huh? It seems to me that the fiver is the combination of all the hazels gimmicks, just improved.

Posted by: poiuywired Nov 25 2006, 12:19 AM
How many sub arms can this Fiver ...

OMG! Lets see, two front skirt sub-arm, one back skirt sub-arm, 1(or two) teeth-like claw arm, two optional sub-arm at the back of the SUPPORT unit.

Now, give each and every one of them a beam sword...

Posted by: Bazookafied Nov 25 2006, 04:06 AM
QUOTE (poiuywired @ Nov 24 2006, 06:19 PM)
Now, give each and every one of them a beam sword...

If we do that... the term "Sword Master" on Soul Calibur III Becomes obsolete...

holy shnikies... that would be more saber-laden than The O!

Posted by: Char Aznable Nov 25 2006, 05:22 AM
hope you didn't forget the hands. lol

The only problem with that is you probably end up cutting yourself into a jillion pieces with one movement.

Anyway, so any else besides me planning on buying this? I'm also gonna buy the advanced hazel (and a hurdudu if i can find one).


Sorry but I am obssessed with the Fiver so you WILL se me here most of the time or talking about it!

Posted by: Blackberry Dec 1 2006, 02:35 AM
I already have bought the ADV Hazel, its great! I dont know if you'll be able to find a Hrududu, since it came with the magazine. But maybe...
(At the start of the year, there were people selling the entire set of included AOZ mag included models, maybe theyre still out there...)

Posted by: Bazookafied Dec 1 2006, 02:38 AM
QUOTE (Blackberry @ Nov 30 2006, 08:35 PM)
I dont know if you'll be able to find a Hrududu, since it came with the magazine. But maybe...
At the start of the year, there were people selling the entire set of included AOZ mag included models, maybe theyre still out there...

This is where eBay becomes your friend. Lots of those "extras" that come with magazines get sold. The problem is since those extra parts enhance 3 existing kits, more people are hanging onto them.

Still, theres discussion for the Fiver's kit in the toybox. Please keep this topic focused on the Mobile Suit itself. Thanks!

Posted by: Bazookafied Jan 4 2007, 05:10 PM
What ever happened to that big Adv. Hazel Visor-ish sensor that the Fiver had on its head at one point? From what I remember, we never really figured out what it was and we haven't seen it in the story... is it just another one of those teaser 'unused' designs from the series?

Also... with the announcement of the "Hrairoo"... its's sprung my question-making abilities. Follow that thread here>

Posted by: poiuywired Jan 6 2007, 09:48 PM
Well, its not shown in the series, at least not yet. Then again, no being shown in the series doesn't mean it has never been built/tested. The equipment is relatively small, and it miht have been tested in non-combat situations. Also, the wired arms attachment have a HUGE sensor mounted on the head/back.

Posted by: ninjascience Jan 22 2007, 10:36 PM
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ORX-005 GAPLANT TR-5 "HRAIROO"

Assignment: Titans Test Team (Black Otter Team)
Development: Oakland Research Institute / Konpeitoh Arsenal
Pilot: Lieutenant Wes Murphy, Lieutenant JG Eliard Hunter
Overall height: 25.2 meters
Base weight: 50.8 tons
Full weight: 115.1 tons
Generator output: 3040 kW (+410 kW)
Armor materials: Gundarium alloy
Armament: beam cannon x 2, beam saber x 2, spread beam gun x 2, long blade rifle

The transformable mobile armor Gaplant, developed for high-altitude interception, has performance surpassing that of second-generation mobile suits. Although this machine was developed before the category of third-generation mobile suits (transformable mobile suits) was established, its performance is sufficient to qualify as a third-generation mobile suit. This machine is a Gaplant further enhanced with the addition of support parts. Rather than being a fighter-class mobile weapon, its performance gives it tactical-class fighting strength, like the mobile armor Big Zam of the One Year War or the Gundam GP02A of the Delaz Conflict. Thus it is categorized as an "Area Dominance Mobile Armor" whose absolute fighting strength allows it to dominate the battlefield in space, in the air, or on the ground. This high-class machine can demonstrate its maximum potential under any conditions.

The new support units developed for the Gaplant TR-5 are based on data obtained from the Hrdudu. Instead of the shield boosters previously used by the Titans Test Team, its arms are equipped with the same movable shield binders as a normal Gaplant. Extra boosters are also installed on its shoulders and around its waist, giving it higher mobility and offensive power in both mobile suit and mobile armor forms. Since this equipment is designed so as not to affect the Gaplant's characteristic transformation functions, it can still transform while the support units are attached.

Hrairoo: The transformable mobile armor that serves as the core of the Gaplant TR-5 Fiver. Without its atmospheric escape and reentry parts, the Fiver becomes the Hrairoo, a custom machine based on the transformable mobile armor Gaplant and then upgraded and improved by the Konpeitoh technical headquarters. The Titans Test Team pilots previously referred to this form using the TR-5's original "Fiver" nickname, or called it the "Fiver Gundam" due to the blade antennas attached to its head unit. At the request of the mechanics, main pilot Lieutenant Wes Murphy christened it "Hrairoo" in order to clearly distinguish between the Fiver and the form without the atmospheric escape and reentry parts.

Support Units: There are two types of shoulder units. The shoulder claw unit on the right serves as both a supplemental thruster and a hardpoint for carrying weapons, while the shoulder thruster unit on the left also contains a generator. The extra skirt units contain attitude control verniers and supplemental thrusters, and the front units are also equipped with spread beam guns. The multi arm unit is a multipurpose device attached to the back of the machine, which plays a similar role to the sub arm unit of the Hazel Custom. The long blade rifle is a long-range sniper beam rifle made up of a long blade barrel and a stabilizer unit attached to a beam pistol.

Technical Notes: The model kit manual indicates that the Hrairoo nickname retroactively applies to the basic Gaplant TR-5 described above, so I suppose the model kit version should really be described as the Gaplant TR-5 Hrairoo with Support Unit.

The Hrairoo's shoulder units can be attached to the Hrdudu in place of its original wing units, creating the support machine Hrdudu II. Like the Hrdudu's claw wing unit, the shoulder claw unit contains a beam emitter which can be connected to the barrel of the long blade rifle, while the shoulder thruster unit contains a generator similar to those used in other TR series machines. A drum frame is attached to each shoulder unit, providing an attachment point for additional multi arm units or even Psyco Gundam arms.

The spread beam guns installed in the front skirt armor resemble the diffuse beam guns used in the enhanced shield booster, and their placement is similar to those of the Gabthley. Small manipulators can also be attached to rails on the underside of the front armor. The side armor can carry energy pack holders, and the beam sabers stored in the side armor function as beam guns in mobile armor form.

The multi arm unit on the machine's rear skirt armor is more compact than the Hazel Custom's sub arm unit, but it can't be used at the same time as the mobile suit's own arms. Its manipulator can hold equipment such as a shield or shield booster, a Primrose mega particle cannon, or a long blade rifle, and in mobile armor form it is used to hold the long blade rifle in place. A winch mechanism installed in the base of the arm also allows it to function as a winch unit.

Two shield boosters can be attached to the beam pistol or long blade rifle via a special latch.


I see there is mention of the 'front skirt manipulators' but not thier usefull ness. I still think they look very limited. Also, they are not included in the HGUC kit at all.

Posted by: poiuywired Jan 23 2007, 09:29 PM
Actually... the "hand" from the back sub-arm can be equipped to the tip of the front skirt.

Yes you would need two Fivers for parts to complete a front arm look. Then again you probably need two Fivers, for the double back hand look, and the booster for the Hazels.

Posted by: Auriga Jan 24 2007, 02:44 AM
I know I said the same thing, but a few days ago I tried to put the part in the front skirt I failed. Unless I was pushing the wrong buttons...

But that aside, we do know that there are two additional subarms in front (heck, even the first picture that was released for the HGUC release had them on). And as ninjascience pointed out, just how effective are they? They don't look flexible enough to be able to handle a melee weapon, that's for sure, unless the armor has joints.

Posted by: Mechapinoyboy Jan 24 2007, 05:05 AM
I suspect that in order for the front skirt to be useful, one has to have the claw clamps installed, and then put the round shield parts on them. That way, there will now be a post where one can install something like, say, the The-O's front skirt sub arms...

Posted by: poiuywired Jan 24 2007, 03:05 PM
Well, digging up the old DHM for the old Design Scheme... they are indeed somewhat "fixed" into position, and unlike other MS of T3 origin, there is no extra joints for the arm. The onl somewhat mobile part being the "hand" can slide along the skirt, which really does not help much.

I guess the design is not practical to start with. I mean, you can't even carry a weapon securely with them, and you have to be crazy to try shooting your rifle with those arms.

Posted by: ninjascience Feb 14 2007, 06:00 PM
Some nice detail on the head from the new volume cover:

user posted image

Posted by: Redeye Feb 14 2007, 08:57 PM
I'm getting serious Mk. V vibes off that head shot- compare its face to http://www.gearsonline.net/gundam/sentinel/mkv/mkv1.gif

Posted by: ninjascience Feb 14 2007, 09:25 PM
your link isn't working, try having it go to the page on gearsonline that the image is on rather than the image itself.

but to your point, yes, I think that is intentional. A while back I posted an AoZ MS org chart I found on 2chan that showed the Mk. V as a descendent of the Hrairoo and some people didn't agree with that, but I totally do. The Mk. V may not be transformable, but I think in MS mode it is very like the Hrairoo, lots of options and a total bad ass in battle.

Posted by: Major Blah Feb 14 2007, 09:33 PM
The link works, just have to copy and paste.

This detailed view of Hrairoo really convinced me that Mk.V comes out from this...but at the same time it's strange 'cause the regular Gaplant doesn't look anything like this. So can we trace a MS development just based on a re-designed head??

Posted by: sandrum Feb 15 2007, 08:36 AM
That book referenced has a small aside that seems to compare (at least) the MK III's head to the Fiver

user posted image
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=390954008&size=l

Posted by: toysdream Feb 15 2007, 09:45 AM
QUOTE (ninjascience @ Feb 14 2007, 02:25 PM)
but to your point, yes, I think that is intentional. A while back I posted an AoZ MS org chart I found on 2chan that showed the Mk. V as a descendent of the Hrairoo and some people didn't agree with that, but I totally do.

The connection cited on that chart is that the Hrairoo's winch shield is an ancestor of the incom system used in the Gundam Mark V. The Hrairoo's Gundam-style face suggests another point of comparison, but it's always been clear that the TR Series would feed into the Mark V, since the Hazel's shield boosters are direct ancestors of the shield booster used by the Mark V.

-- Mark

Posted by: kct Feb 15 2007, 03:42 PM
Not to mention that the Mark V looks like a upgraded Gaplant with removed transformation + additional technology. Heck, having the same series code is not helping me.

Posted by: Bazookafied Feb 15 2007, 05:30 PM
QUOTE (ninjascience @ Feb 14 2007, 12:00 PM)
user posted image

This is not the same... as any Gaplant Fiver Face we have seen.

Not even the model kit's face separates like this illustration does.
Perhaps its a new face? Those Gundam eyes... I was not aware that the Gaplant Fiver had those eyes at all...

Posted by: poiuywired Feb 15 2007, 09:27 PM
Well, the Gundam Face is new, but looks more Mk V also. The HGUC feature a monoeye, which is a separate kit.

Well, yes I know about how people would compare the face to a MkIII, but MkIII is an illusive thing.

From waht we know there are more than one party trying to make a MkIII aith more than one configuation in each party. Added to the varied artwotk for it things can only get more complicated.


Posted by: ninjascience Feb 15 2007, 09:29 PM
either Fujioka just decided to change it up to make it more interesting, or the head actually get's updated at some point. Here's the Hrairoo head from the lineart.

http://flickr.com/photos/ninjascience/274835288/

in this pic it looks like the mono-eye is still back there. In the new cover pic it doesn't look like that's the case. Also the chin is different in the new pic.

Posted by: Auriga Feb 16 2007, 12:26 AM
The Gaplant gets a facelift? Looks awesome to say the least. And yes, the eyes are different; the original had fixed ones near the v-fin (aside from the monoeye - which is considerably concealed).

If that is a totally new design (meaning the head does get changed in the story), then I hate my Hrairoo. I always wanted to design something with a long chin; looks like Fujioka answered my prayers!

Posted by: wavehawk Feb 16 2007, 09:00 AM
Hmmmm....remind me again the advantages of the Gundam Twin-Eye sensor system over the mono-eye?

Posted by: poiuywired Feb 16 2007, 03:11 PM
QUOTE (wavehawk @ Feb 16 2007, 09:00 AM)
Hmmmm....remind me again the advantages of the Gundam Twin-Eye sensor system over the mono-eye?

Not much really smile.gif

I mean MS have more than one "eye" a ssensors, hence the huge 360 visual. The gundam type eyes really is mroe of a cosmetic change than anything else, its not that much more effective if any. If the difference is that big then Neo Zeon units would have used them... and yet even Sazabi have mono-eye.

Posted by: chaosdoc Feb 17 2007, 01:04 AM
user posted imageuser posted imageI thought the prototype arched booster on the gaplant looked familiar, so i looked around . Check out the booster on this mech "ZMT-S28S Gengaozo" from ms victory . The design is too close to be coincidence. The influence on fujioka's design is pretty obvious to me.

Posted by: sandrum Feb 17 2007, 07:51 AM
QUOTE (chaosdoc @ Feb 17 2007, 10:04 AM)
user posted imageuser posted imageI thought the prototype arched booster on the gaplant looked familiar, so i looked around . Check out the booster on this mech "ZMT-S28S Gengaozo" from ms victory . The design is too close to be coincidence. The influence on fujioka's design is pretty obvious to me.

I dunno, that looks like a really muddled parallel to draw, especially considering drawing a line to the Gengaozo is a little too soon as that MS isn't manufactured for at least 40 or 50 years down the line. You could draw a line from any automobile manufactured in the 50's to any one now and point out similarities in the same way.

Posted by: poiuywired Feb 17 2007, 09:51 AM
That is a design quite many years after TTT... I understand your point but the two systems have quite different goals. The most obvious ones would be those wired hands...

Posted by: chaosdoc Feb 19 2007, 01:27 AM
I wasn't trying to say a similarity in the design that had any relevance to the "timeline", i just mean to say maybe Fujioka may have seen it and liked the appearance, the same way any design from another series may creep in because of how cool it looks. The same way old Dragonar mechs now show up in "Seed"

user posted image

Look familiar?

http://www.interq.or.jp/earth/sloppy/gundam/ailestrike.jpg

I just meant the look of it.

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