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Turn A Gundam - March 13, 2006 12:04 AM (GMT)
Discussion of the 3rd SEED installment.

Cyber-kun - March 13, 2006 03:13 AM (GMT)
Hopefully it will be the last.

On a more positive note, it's not being directed by Fudaka, so there's hope it will be quite nice, and this "Black Strike" Gundam is cool, and there will be a gunpla model of it...

wavehawk - March 13, 2006 03:49 AM (GMT)
I just had to reply to this:

QUOTE (Turn A Gundam)
why couldn't they have called it the Noir Gundam or something...
- Given the Beam Pistols and the fact that someone is playing "Canta Per Me" in the background here where I'm logging on--Yeah, I can see a "Noir" Gundam already. All we need now are a hot blonde frenchwoman and her japanese schoolgirl partner, and we're all set. :P

On that note, maybe a Yuki Kajiura soundtrack and an OP/ED theme by Bee Train instead of T.M. Revolution might be a considerable improvement. Don't get me wrong, I actually like some of T.M. Revolution's music, but I've had pretty much my fill of it by now.

Turn A Gundam - March 13, 2006 02:59 PM (GMT)
I think the selection of music was up to the Director, so who knows? Perhaps we can get some new bands for SEED SG.

Char Aznable - March 13, 2006 03:24 PM (GMT)
just throwing this our here...

Gunota-
Minor Stargazer update

A promo sheet that can be seen at the Char Custom Blog indicates that the OVA will also be shown in stores, like the Gundam Evolve shorts and Astray/SEED MSV promo anime, and that the general release date will be in June. Expansion of related merchandise into the Gundam Collection and HCM-Pro lines is planned.

The_Marshal_AEB - March 13, 2006 04:02 PM (GMT)
its : -plamodel
-gundamcollection
-HCMPRO

just like select the suitable asnwer "pla model" the other two are waiste of financial resources :P

Random_GM_Pilot - March 13, 2006 08:17 PM (GMT)
To me, this seems like nothing at all more than Bandai trying to milk the Cosmic Era for all it's worth. The main mech is a chimera of slapped-together Blitz and Strike parts, which of course is for the sole purpose of selling more CE gunpla. Until I see more mecha, or watch it and the story actually is worth the time to watch, I'm not impressed. But, as Cyber-kun said, no more Fukuda, so I do have SOME hope for the story.

Vega Vaikyuko - March 16, 2006 12:52 AM (GMT)
This is CE's redeemer, I tell you. If they screw this up, CE is OVER.

Master P Rayer - March 16, 2006 01:07 AM (GMT)
Got this from animenewsnetwork.com, that Stargazer is just 15 minutes ONA with total 3 episodes. I'm not sure what ONA is. But 15 minutes is just to short, why not 25 minutes like usual anime?

Ogeray - March 16, 2006 02:05 AM (GMT)
are any pics out for the gundam designs? other than the stike noir?
also, what about this "splash gundam" i heard about on some news sites?

Kyle81 - March 16, 2006 04:54 AM (GMT)
The short run time is likely do to that this is mainly being done as a promotional thing with it being run at various store locations and such, sorta like the Astray OVA/Promos. At least these are a bit longer.

CyberSynaptic - March 16, 2006 06:43 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ogeray @ Mar 15 2006, 06:05 PM)
are any pics out for the gundam designs? other than the stike noir?
also, what about this "splash gundam" i heard about on some news sites?

Splash Gundam? That's first I've heard of that. There was some untrue rumors about a SEED OVA called Gundam SEED Break that supposedly had a Slash Gundam. Are you sure you don't mean that? Either way, there hasn't been any new info about Stargazer besides the Strike Noir and the 2 characters revealed thus far.

Vega Vaikyuko - March 18, 2006 07:27 PM (GMT)
ONA is Original Net Anime. This is being broadcast over the internet and apparently at some model hobby sotres and the like, similar to the ASTRAY promotionals and the Evolve commercials. The short run time might also be because they're testing the waters with Stargazer as opposed to making a whole new television series or OVA -- these sorts of things take far less time and money to produce and as a result are easier when "testing the waters".

The only MS currently announced were the Strike Noir and the Stargazer itself (which is a very mysterious project, I'd say).

EDIT: Splash Gundam and Celsius Gundam, along with another Gundam I can't recall the name of, were supposed to be slated as the units for three new Extended/druggies in Gundam SEED ETERNITY, which, to my knowledge, is a hoax.

Random_GM_Pilot - March 22, 2006 05:50 PM (GMT)
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I think this is new. Anyway, enjoy.

CyberSynaptic - March 22, 2006 08:40 PM (GMT)
Ooh, another "I've got much guns" MS (the one on the right in the orange area)...I've always been fond of those.

If my meager katakana and kanji reading skills are correct, the left MS is some kind of Duel Gundam Custom (Kai), and the right MS is a Buster Gundam Custom (Kai).

Turn A Gundam - March 23, 2006 04:29 AM (GMT)
Aside from the Torso, I'm sorry but that doesn't even remotely look like a Strike Gundam
Just goes to show you they're again trying to beat a dead horse and capitilize on the Strike's design..

Char Aznable - March 23, 2006 05:14 AM (GMT)
Honestly, it looks like a kid drew it. Just thrown together parts GAT and ZGMF units.

goku1234 - March 23, 2006 06:47 AM (GMT)
just little reminded that this is not really the 3rd series, cause i know it only a OVA, not the 3rd series! sorry! =P

Turn A Gundam - March 24, 2006 12:59 AM (GMT)
According to from what I've read (my reading of kanji isn't great) but I could almost swear that dispite this being OVA status, this will be regarded as a "Third Series" until final notice. Unless Bandai will let Fukuda start one after his Destiny SPED (which they most likely won't) this will probably be considered the third series (and in the opinions of many, they hope it will be the last.) and until they find a new and better director, it's going to stay that way.

The reason this isn't going to be a series is because BanDai can't get any sponsors. It's an OVA because the money that was supposed to come from Destiny, didn't, so they had to take the short and easy way out. It's sad really.

CyberSynaptic - March 24, 2006 06:15 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Turn A Gundam @ Mar 23 2006, 04:59 PM)
According to from what I've read (my reading of kanji isn't great) but I could almost swear that dispite this being OVA status, this will be regarded as a "Third Series" until final notice. Unless Bandai will let Fukuda start one after his Destiny SPED (which they most likely won't) this will probably be considered the third series (and in the opinions of many, they hope it will be the last.) and until they find a new and better director, it's going to stay that way.

The reason this isn't going to be a series is because BanDai can't get any sponsors. It's an OVA because the money that was supposed to come from Destiny, didn't, so they had to take the short and easy way out. It's sad really.

Well I'm not part of that "many" because I love the Cosmic Era. Is that a known fact that Destiny did bad Turn-A? Or are you basing this on the opinions of our own Gundam community? I thought Destiny did rather well financially, especially on the merchandise front.

Master P Rayer - March 24, 2006 07:19 AM (GMT)
I don't really dislike SEED Destiny, it's just that it felt like a normal anime with gundam scene. As long as the story goods and there are lot's of "reasonable" MS, i don't mind if they expand cosmic era to 2 or more series.

wavehawk - March 24, 2006 07:22 AM (GMT)
I'm getting a "08th MS Seed Team" of sorts from this, for some reason. Anyone else? Not that the main character's going to be a Shirou Amada-type of a character, but the possible romantic connection is a bit too obvious for my taste.

Netcasting seems to be kind of a risk (word is that Stargazer might be available as streaming video on the website--need to confirm, though).

codename:V - March 26, 2006 05:09 PM (GMT)
My guess is that Bandai had just ran out of ideas on what's next after. Personally, I'm not a SEED fan and more towards UC eras' Gundam animes. SEED saga gives me an impression of Tomino recycling his old gundam works and set it in a new package to attracts the younger generations. Well, you can see the similiarities as compared the UC and CE storylines.

1. SEED - very much based on the UC 0079 One Year War timeline and Macross. (the songtress proganda)

2. SEED Destiny - more towards UC 0087 Gryps War like Kamiru-Four to Shinn-Stella, Hyakushiki to Akatsuki and Pyscho G to Destroy G.

3. SEED Stargazer - What now? 08th MS team or War in a Pocket?

Conclusion, it's time for a new transition for Gundam like they did in Turn A. Shonen and Shoujo really kill the essences in Gundam, if you ask me.

Master P Rayer - March 30, 2006 01:40 PM (GMT)
Hmm shoujo and shounen kills the essences in gundam? You mean we ought to use grown-up mens or womens???

CyberSynaptic - March 31, 2006 07:33 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (codename:V @ Mar 26 2006, 09:09 AM)
My guess is that Bandai had just ran out of ideas on what's next after. Personally, I'm not a SEED fan and more towards UC eras' Gundam animes. SEED saga gives me an impression of Tomino recycling his old gundam works and set it in a new package to attracts the younger generations. Well, you can see the similiarities as compared the UC and CE storylines.

1. SEED - very much based on the UC 0079 One Year War timeline and Macross. (the songtress proganda)

2. SEED Destiny - more towards UC 0087 Gryps War like Kamiru-Four to Shinn-Stella, Hyakushiki to Akatsuki and Pyscho G to Destroy G.

3. SEED Stargazer -  What now? 08th MS team or War in a Pocket?

Conclusion, it's time for a new transition for Gundam like they did in Turn A. Shonen and Shoujo really kill the essences in Gundam, if you ask me.

1. Only the first half is like MSG (I think anyway, I haven't seen MSG in ages and some of it leaves me every now and then). Amuro never got another MS in MSG like Kira got Freedom. There's no Athrun-like character in MSG. Rau and Char, although both masked men, had different agendas. There is no overbearing family like the Zabis controlling one side, unless you count Blue Cosmos as a "family", and personally, Minmay isn't in the same class as Lacus. Minmay is a whiny brat who only cared about herself til Hikrau literally slapped some sense into her (love that scene in Macross DYRL), while Lacus genuinely cares about others and the greater good, whatever that is.

2. Although there are some blaring similarities, Destiny can't be put into the same category as Zeta (this coming from a hardcore CE fan, I liked Destiny, but it's nowhere near as good as Zeta). Only similarities I see between Destiny and Zeta are transforming MS and maybe Shinn and Stellar (yes she will always be Stellar to me, not Stella) being somewhat like Kamille and Four.

3. We don't know enough about Stargazer to say if it's gonna end up like anything from the UC.


Also, I'd prefer young men and women in the starring roles over older characters (although 1 or 2 in a show is good). If you're talking about shounen and shoujo aspects in the anime, if they start marketing Gundam exclusively to older people, I doubt it will sell as well...

Turn A Gundam - March 31, 2006 08:47 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (CyberSynaptic @ Mar 24 2006, 06:15 AM)
QUOTE (Turn A Gundam @ Mar 23 2006, 04:59 PM)
According to from what I've read (my reading of kanji isn't great) but I could almost swear that dispite this being OVA status, this will be regarded as a "Third Series" until final notice. Unless Bandai will let Fukuda start one after his Destiny SPED (which they most likely won't) this will probably be considered the third series (and in the opinions of many, they  hope it will be the last.) and until they find a new and better director, it's going to stay that way.

The reason this isn't going to be a series is because BanDai can't get any sponsors. It's an OVA because the money that was supposed to come from Destiny, didn't, so they had to take the short and easy way out. It's sad really.

Well I'm not part of that "many" because I love the Cosmic Era. Is that a known fact that Destiny did bad Turn-A? Or are you basing this on the opinions of our own Gundam community? I thought Destiny did rather well financially, especially on the merchandise front.

When I say in the opinions of many, I mean many. Granted some like yourself liked Seed and Seed Destiny but the sad fact is the Japanese market disagrees. Compared to SEED, Destiny's model sales were abysmal, however, it's DVD sales were great. Yes. That is a FACT. Ask ANY Expert in Gundam, ANY, and they will back me up on this. They will tell you what I tell you now. Destiny's merchandise sales were pathetic compared to SEEDs, save the DVDs.

Partly because the effects of the "Seed" effect had mostly worn off, the craze for new Gundam dissapating since the starvation of stuff caused by the series Turn A, and of course because as the series progressed, and of course, the series wasn't up to par. It was always in fluctuation, because the writers had to keep up with the changing market. Such with SEED, there was no security in what would happen next. I mean, they made Dearka a hero because Buster wasn't selling well as a kit. Another little fact. They did alot of the same with Destiny. They most likely gave the Gaia new colors to get that much more money. Think of it, you remold the same kit, exact same kit in two different colors, and people have to get both. Look, I'm not bashing SEED or SEED Destiny, I'm simply stating what I know and have confirmed to be true. Take it however and with as many tons of salt as you like.

Back to the point, the fact on topic is, that this is an OVA because BanDai can not afford another fully fledged Gundam SEED series at the moment. I'll be happy to fact check again this with a real expert.

codename:V - March 31, 2006 03:15 PM (GMT)
Rayer:
This is only an opinion. Besides, we are not getting any younger and expriences made us grow. Adults are quite cool, y' know. Like they did in MGS series.

Turn A:
Not bad, looks like you did a lot researches. True, SEED Destiny sales ain't good as compared to SEED when it first came out. Probably due to some twisted similarities of both design features, which render the products bland.

Cybersynaptic:
Still, there are similarities between UC and CE, right? Well, I kinda grew up with Gundam and y'know, CE doesn't suits my taste(or my age as well) Of course not, anime isn't only limited to older people only!

Kyle81 - March 31, 2006 03:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Turn A Gundam @ Mar 31 2006, 08:47 AM)
QUOTE (CyberSynaptic @ Mar 24 2006, 06:15 AM)
QUOTE (Turn A Gundam @ Mar 23 2006, 04:59 PM)
According to from what I've read (my reading of kanji isn't great) but I could almost swear that dispite this being OVA status, this will be regarded as a "Third Series" until final notice. Unless Bandai will let Fukuda start one after his Destiny SPED (which they most likely won't) this will probably be considered the third series (and in the opinions of many, they  hope it will be the last.) and until they find a new and better director, it's going to stay that way.

The reason this isn't going to be a series is because BanDai can't get any sponsors. It's an OVA because the money that was supposed to come from Destiny, didn't, so they had to take the short and easy way out. It's sad really.

Well I'm not part of that "many" because I love the Cosmic Era. Is that a known fact that Destiny did bad Turn-A? Or are you basing this on the opinions of our own Gundam community? I thought Destiny did rather well financially, especially on the merchandise front.

When I say in the opinions of many, I mean many. Granted some like yourself liked Seed and Seed Destiny but the sad fact is the Japanese market disagrees. Compared to SEED, Destiny's model sales were abysmal, however, it's DVD sales were great. Yes. That is a FACT. Ask ANY Expert in Gundam, ANY, and they will back me up on this. They will tell you what I tell you now. Destiny's merchandise sales were pathetic compared to SEEDs, save the DVDs.

Partly because the effects of the "Seed" effect had mostly worn off, the craze for new Gundam dissapating since the starvation of stuff caused by the series Turn A, and of course because as the series progressed, and of course, the series wasn't up to par. It was always in fluctuation, because the writers had to keep up with the changing market. Such with SEED, there was no security in what would happen next. I mean, they made Dearka a hero because Buster wasn't selling well as a kit. Another little fact. They did alot of the same with Destiny. They most likely gave the Gaia new colors to get that much more money. Think of it, you remold the same kit, exact same kit in two different colors, and people have to get both. Look, I'm not bashing SEED or SEED Destiny, I'm simply stating what I know and have confirmed to be true. Take it however and with as many tons of salt as you like.

Back to the point, the fact on topic is, that this is an OVA because BanDai can not afford another fully fledged Gundam SEED series at the moment. I'll be happy to fact check again this with a real expert.

It's fact bandai doesn't have the money to make another CE TV series?

I'm sorry but this is nothing but 100% opinion, and NO one can claim that as a fact. Only Bandai Japan and Sunrise would know this, and there not going to be letting such info fly around.

Turn A Gundam - March 31, 2006 03:38 PM (GMT)
No, BanDai couldn't get enough sponsors for a Series. Money is only half the game.
Well, I said it was fact. I didn't say you had to accept it. What I say I have, like I have said many times, checked and double checked with all experts who understand the inner workings better than I do. Namely Chris Guanche and Zeonic Marine. Remember, ZM at one point did work for BanDai at one point as moderator for GOUF. But hey, let's put it this way.

If you can prove to me with data from a knowlegable and/or official source, that what I'm saying is wrong, I will gladly admit I was wrong. Of course, you know, I am right, but hey, I've got no problem running it by. I must, as they say, stick to my guns.


Kyle81 - March 31, 2006 04:14 PM (GMT)
Lets not escalate things then

Turn A Gundam - March 31, 2006 04:45 PM (GMT)
Indeed, as they say, agree to disagree. Always works for me.

My source for the sponsor is directly from RGZ of Gunota Headlines, so always feel free to check with him. His contact addy is on Gunota Headlines.

Char Aznable - April 10, 2006 12:01 PM (GMT)
-Gunota

SEED C.E. 73 Stargazer site opens
Info from the official site which opened today:

Organizations:
Deep Space Survey and Development Organization (DSSD) - A group founded to survey & develop regions beyond the orbit of Mars. The Earth Alliance, PLANT, and neutral powers cooperated in its establishment though it is neutral with regard to the Alliance & ZAFT and has special jurisdiction. The fundamental principle is "The advancement of frontiers": to transcend all countries, organizations, religions, and races, sending that doctrine from the human species out to the far-reaches of space.

Phantom Pain - A special military force that answers to Logos, Blue Cosmos' supreme governing organization. The unit is a private army organized by Blue Cosmos. Blue Cosmos, thus far not getting the depended on military power from the Earth Alliance, formed the group as a way of directly embodying their personal intentions. Phantom Pain's parent organization is comprised of Alliance personnel & equipment. Notices issued from the Earth Alliance's upper echelon, in situations where goods and personnel are requested by Phantom Pain, are informal but are to be responded to without delay. With that assistance, Phanton Pain can take in provisions and furnishings wherever they go. But only Logos and representatives of Logos possess command authority over them. Even within the Alliance, only a tiny few of its leaders are aware of the particulars regarding Phantom Pain. As a private army, they aren't bound by the armistice treaty entered into by the Alliance and ZAFT. The treaty prohibits both the Alliance and ZAFT from having N-Jammer Cancellers, nuclear weapons, Mirage Colloid, loading ships with Phase Shift armor, and possessing nuclear-powered mobile suits but Phantom Pain disregards that and executes operations using ships that carry such things. And since they are funded behind the scenes by Blue Cosmos, the equipment they get is radical but extravagant.

Mecha:
GSX-401FW Stargazer - Affilated with DSSD.

GAT-X105E Strike Noir - A mobile suit specializing in close-range combat deployed by the Earth Alliance's 81st Independent Mobile Battalion (aka Phantom Pain). It's based on the X105 Strike and piloted by lieutenant junior grade Sven Cal Bayan. Integrated performance improvement measures on the unit were conducted by Actaeon Industries.

Characters:
Selene McGriff - 28-year-old female Coordinator. One of the engineering staff on the DSSD engineering development's GSX-401FW Stargazer Project. "Mankind must set out to space." Those words are Selene's guiding principle. As is the case with many DSSD staff, she was born and raised in space and her parents are also members. Bright but has a strong tendency to be somewhat egotistical. Once she decides what her goal is, she won't be happy until she achieves it and, that being the case, she won't choose a way of meeting her objectives without great effort. Strong-minded and unafraid of being criticized for her methods. Aggressive at times and, as a result, much of her nature is to disregard her partner's ideas though if someone tries that with her, she'll be reluctant and impassionate. Nevertheless, since the DSSD is an organization with a high ratio of eccentrics and freaks among the personnel, Selene hasn't especially changed.

Sven Cal Bayan - 19-year-old male Natural. A lieutenant junior grade in the Earth Alliance's 81st Independent Mobile Battalion (Phantom Pain). Pilot of the mobile suit GAT-X105E Strike Noir. Part of a special combat MS platoon with another 2-3 people. Orphaned due to an incident when he was very young. Afterwards, he became affiliated with Phantom Pain as an elite combat member for Coordinator extermination warfare. What's the reason for his intense hatred of Coordinators...and what is the past of this cruel fighting machine?

The_Marshal_AEB - April 10, 2006 02:44 PM (GMT)
And Xplosion G-SEED is up too http://www.xg-seed.net/ where it's suppose to have that STARGAZER show in the events

codename:V - April 10, 2006 03:45 PM (GMT)
And still we have no idea how the Stargazer looks like. <_<

Chaos Incarnate - April 10, 2006 08:55 PM (GMT)
Hopefully they got someone other than Okawara to design it, though I doubt it... <_<

codename:V - April 11, 2006 07:37 AM (GMT)
SEED's mecha designs ain't my favourite either. Most of the design features are commonly found in our house kitchen or tools case appliances.

CyberSynaptic - May 9, 2006 07:28 PM (GMT)
Some more Stargazer C.E. 73 Info from Gunota:

QUOTE
Stargazer staff update
The official site lists the following additional staff, among other miscellaneous crew members:
Mecha design - Kimitoshi Yamane, Kenki Fujioka
Design works - Thinkport
Music - Megumi Ohashi


Hmm, so the designer of the Gundam Ez8 and some Zeon MS from 08th MS Team (Yamane-san) and the Advance of Zeta mecha designer (Fujioka-san) are working on Stargazer along with Okawara-san and BEE-CRAFT eh? I wonder what other units they have planned for us (I happen to really like the Strike Noir, Duel Kai and Buster Kai so far).

Seeing as this board is AoZ heavy, what do you guys think of the Hazel designer working on a CE project? Personally, I'd love to see his take on a CE Earth Alliance grunt MS.

Master P Rayer - May 10, 2006 05:25 AM (GMT)
I'd like to see a Dagger which boots have been "pulled-up" and "pressed", you know, like Fujioka did with AOZ GM Type C hehehehe.

codename:V - May 10, 2006 11:09 AM (GMT)
"Pulled-up" and "Pressed-down" boots? I don't get it. :blink:

Master P Rayer - May 11, 2006 02:49 AM (GMT)
I sorry if my vocabulary confuse you, but all i meant was like this.

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