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Esy
Posted: May 21 2005, 09:25 AM


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Thanks! I'm glad you liked it! The schools over now, and that means that I'll be soon posting the first chapter of story! 05.gif


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Meteora
Posted: Jun 20 2005, 12:13 PM


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Thats actually very profound and really well written. I look forward to reading the story when you do post it up here.

The quote about natural evil poses an interesting question though.

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Would the lack of natural evil mean that we would never have to learn to love or just that we wouldn't appreciate that love as much?


Is evil natural at all or merely a consequence of wrong choices? I would say that evil is not something which is a natural part of the ebb and flow of life, but of the wrong choices that we as humans make. Take a look at nature: Is the action of a funnelweb spider evil, building the trap for its prey then lying in wait for its next meal to come along? I would say no, this is merely its route to survival. An action taken to ensure ones survival is not evil. Survival of the fittest and food chains are part of the masterpiece we call life on earth.

Contrast that with, for instance, drug dealing. Selling drugs is initially someones choice. An addict does need the end product but how did they become an addict? Initially by making a wrong choice. This is not a natural event but a human interaction and the same viewpoint can be taken about war, hunger, poverty, exploitation, racism and I would go as far a to say all the major issues that are faced by us in the 21st Century.
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Esy
Posted: Jun 20 2005, 10:36 PM


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First of all I'm really glad that you like what you read! *huggles*

Second of all I see your point and I always like to hear different point of view. You're right, I sometime wonder about that too... Does something like natural evil really exists? What's the difference between evil and natural evil? I cannot answer to it correctly whatever I answer. That's like a question "Is darkness just a lack of light or is it other way around?", I don't know, I think that it's up to personal point of view.

But I believe that there is a natural evil in every human being. Spider's survival instinct isn't evil, and I'm not talking about spiders, I'm talking about evil in conscious beings; us that is. I believe that we are born with a bit of natural evil in us and that it is our choice if we will act along with it and be evil or that we will try and act against it. Natural evil is something that we have inside of us, something that is part of us and with which we are born. Something like primal sin...

I'm not very good at explaining, so tell me if you didn't understand something I just said... 30.gif biggrin.gif


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Dragonsilver
Posted: Jul 1 2005, 09:30 AM


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I say that everything and nothing good and evil is relative, what's good in one's eyes can be evil in another's, so it's best not to overanalyse everything... ^^

Just love and you can't go wrong.

But I say...

ESY POST THE NEST CHAPTER HOW CAN YOU BE SO MEAN AND MAKE US WAIT SO LONG!?!?!?! *sob*


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Nex Terren
Posted: Jul 1 2005, 08:49 PM


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Personally, I find that there are absolutes, but also that absolutes are necessary for a society that anyone would have to live in.

Think about it: One person believes that killing is his or her right, and is okay to do. Others do not think so, however. Are they correct in restraining the violent man? If what is right is unique to each individual, no they are not. If different ideas of right and wrong are acceptable for everyone to have, then no one should impose their ideas on others. Not parents, not governments, not even in self-defense.


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Dragonsilver
Posted: Jul 1 2005, 10:38 PM


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Well yeah the tough thing about that is that I wasn't exacctly saying there are no absolutes, there are definitely, but ... well ... it's a dimension we can't really fathom. The whole thing is a tough subject.

Personally, as I believe in God, I believe in absolutes, however: there are people whos absolutes are seperate. One day I think we'll know the truth, but until then it's hard to determine the real wrong and right. For instance:

If a man loved his only daughter so much and couldn't buy her the medication she needed right then to survive, and robbed a pharmacy to save his daughter, is taht wrong?

It's a hard call to make, but yes. Because the other people who might have needed that drug for their children, who worked hard to have the money to buy it, wouldn't be able to save their child.

It's all so complicated... but theology and philosophy fascinates me...


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