Ummm...huh?

Okay, am I missing a few things here?

Thailand, a country that was recently occupied by the Japanese and had it’s entire economy fucked by siding with the Axis in WWII and therefore having a virtual embargo placed upon it by it’s three main benefactors (Britain, France, and USA) has suddenly swapped from being a neo-fascist state to a Soviet ally threatening war with the world’s current superpowers. This is completely forgetting the fact that Thailand was occupied by British troops following the end of WWII in order to smooth over the transition from Phibun’s rule. Unless something changed, Thailand is still governed by Seni Pramoj, one of the most Eurocentric and in particular Anglocentric Asian politicians in human history. In fact, it was only due to his personal friendship with Winston Churchill that Thailand was exempt from war reparations and other retributions for helping the Axis during the war. In addition, instead of being a noble fighter of colonialism in southeast Asia he handed back the lost French territory from French Indochina that Phibun had seized during WWII.

Spain, under the third most famous repressive and anti-communist fascist leader of the Twentieth Century, has suddenly screwed over three centuries of treaties with Britain and sided with the communists against it. The reason for this is apparently in order to get a rock with a few thousand British people on it that Spain ceded to Britain after Queen Anne’s War. Spain recognised and still does recognise that Britain legally holds Gibraltar. It’s case for reunion with the Rock centres around three decades of decolonisation and an argument that British control over the territory is unbeneficial to the residents of Gibraltar. Considering that that is the position taken by a modern SOCIALIST government, one can only imagine what the formal position was of a fascist government who’s sole existence is largely thanks to the British and British volunteers in the Spanish Civil War.

Indonesia, a country which only recently received independence, has suddenly developed into a world socialist force. This ignores the facts that the Indonesian economy is still colonial outlook (unless it’s totally collapsed) and completely dependent on the Eurasian population and investment by British, Dutch, and to a lesser extent American companies. Not to mention that most of Indonesia’s economic growth for the past five centuries occurred in the 80s and 90s. Prior to that, Indonesia was still quite literally the epitome of a failed recently decolonised poverty-ridden state. Not only does it’s very existence hinge on fragile (and since it received independence without the nationalism that an independence war would have brought) sense of unity, but it’s very meagre economy is also totally dependent on it’s former colonial masters.

Meanwhile, I don’t see the United Kingdom player doing anything about any of this. It has essentially fucked over three years of Churchillian promises and negotiations with Stalin and plunged the world into a cold war which it is by no means ready for. Not only that, but they missed the one opportunity they had to hold on to India (1946 negotiations with the INC). Do you really not realise that everyone except the INC leadership would have been overjoyed at a mere devolved government similar to that of Northern Ireland before the Troubles? Do you further realise that neither Britain nor the USSR can afford to fight at this point and that what you are doing is merely polarising the Allies? The British Empire was just raped by World War Two, and you cannot simply become the noble fighter of communism that the world loves. You need to focus on REBUILDING, not isolating your allies.

Furthermore, there is a major imabalance of players. Most of the communist nations have been filled, but the Western capitalist ones are empty. This is letting these communist players run wild and unchecked like this, which is produces these massively inaccurate situation. We’ve essentially got a world RUN from Moscow and neither Washington nor London is doing much about it.

Fun is more important than realism, no one else seems to have much of a problem with current events. Not to say that realism isn't important, but if we strictly followed history, the game would consist of posts about reconstruction for three months. If someone thinks that something is unrealistic, they can say so, and we'll probebly change it, but altering the whole makeup of the game would be pointless and take the fun out of the game for everyone but a few superpowers.

Fine, but forgive me if I'm skeptical about Thailand taking on the British and French Empires when in reality it would be doing the opposite. Also forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical about Indonesia's sudden transformation into a world power. Plus, it wouldn't be so bad if a few of these players from the commie countries switched to the Western ones, since at present we have on the USA and UK.

What??? I've never even entered into a discussion about India. I never even remember hearing about the subject. I'm RPing the defence of my colonies, not fighting communism. It just so happens that most of the nations I'm RPing an international dispute with are communist.

I agree with that point. Nobody likes being the cappies. Except for Korea.

It was essentially an admin decision by the USSR to have them be independent as it happened IRL.

As for India, when a nation doesn't have a player, the general rule is that things proceed as IRL. As for the lack of capitalist players, this is a problem, although not a large one. Perhaps we could make a rule that the next three players to join must pick pro-western nations. The Thai war with England and France is far fethced, I'll give you that, but it's also interesting, and I've given a fair advantage to the colonial powers.

This post has been edited by Egypt on Jul 20 2007, 08:32 PM

Where do you see me siding with communists? They have made me a proposal with no answer so far.

And frankly Will, I'm quite suspicious that you're just pissed off because your precious UK is being mislead in the RP according to you, if you had wanted to take control you should've chosen the UK.

I have to agree with South Africa on some of his points...there are a few players running around acting kinda nooby.

Lately I've been contemplating maybe switching to a capitalist nation. I like playing Albania, but the way I see it, I'm pretty insignificant to world affairs and after Greece is done I'm worried I won't have anything else to do...

If you decide to switch send me or another admin a PM, France is still open and involved in word affairs

Truth be told, realism is not the top priority here. Although, I admit that some things are far fetched.

Namely:

1. Thailand: Nothing bad about threatening the Allies, but actually getting to war with them so quickly is a bit suicidal unless you can secure economic growth first. COMECON can always be of help but specific reforms are needed to join it.
2. Indonesia: The transition to a different (socialist?) economy needs to be soped up. COMECON support can cover the loss of dependence on American, British and Dutch companies and citizens and individualise your nation.
3. Britain: The first thing I noticed is that for absolutely no reason, you polarised the allies by immediately and with no IC backup accused the USSR. Secondly, your sudden initiation of an aircraft carrier project at a wartime pace will hurt your economy, which is supposed to be rebuilt from World War 2 and not turned into shit because an otherwise popular government gets militaristic for no reason. It's not like you don't have adequate equipment as it is.

My cents, really. I admit that my actions don't help Allied unity, but after all my attempts with the old UK and USA players to not be polarised and then suddenly seeing Britain in the UNGA accusing me of being an international menace and a dictatorship, I've lost faith with it. Now, Stalin is all for postwar cooperation but only as long as there are concessions from the west (as in, apologies for the mess they caused.)

This post has been edited by Soviet Union on Jul 20 2007, 09:38 PM

Maybe I should switch to Brazil. I do live here so maybe it would be a good country for me to roleplay? A rebirth of the fascistic Estado Novo sounds nice

I think our top priority should be to cover up for the overabudnance of the socialist bloc by finding a France. Developing nations can wait; although the French and British Empires are effectively dying (and, let's be honest, some rebelling territories are far beyond salvation in the long term, such as Vietnam. But in the long term, the AFrican colonies can be saved quite easily for now.)

I didn't want the UK, I wanted South Africa. That doesn't mean I can't complain, because I'm especially affected by the decision made by the UK. However, if this UK player wants me to, I would consider taking it over for him.

By the way, do I know you?

Well, I sort of agree. Most of the Asian colonies are effectively sitting ducks. However, I do think that colonies such as Hong Kong, Singapore, and Malaysia can possibly be saved, along with those left in the New World (French Guiana, Belize, British Guiana, British West Indies etc)