Title: Settle This
Turkey - August 16, 2007 11:19 PM (GMT)
I have been provoked by the Syrian player, and have been insulted as to my religious choices. Twice my political choices of following Mustafa Kemal Ataturk were insulted. I have sent a PM to this player once some days ago to settle the issue to properly debate without bringing it up on the boards, but yet he has chosen to involve the whole board on his attacks on me.
He has also sought the use of a foreign language for means i wouldn't be able to understand. I wouldn't know if they were personal attacks to me or whatnot, only i can assume that they would be personal attacks due to the recent inflammatory comments.
I believe this has become more than a political discussion, it has become a personal attack. I wont tolerate any attacks by this player or any other players on this board for my religious and political perspective. If they are up to a proper debate, they can come to me through PMs or ask for my email which i would be willing to give to settle out the differences.
Either warn this player and delete all troublesome posts, or I wont associate myself with this board anymore.
Syria - August 16, 2007 11:28 PM (GMT)
ACtually I did respond to your questions that yo uhave pmed me with. What I do have a problem is, people can disucss Cuba's Castro or MLK, but not Ataturk?
You are trying to make something out of nothing. Just like you love this man, I hate him, why is it that you can express your love for him but I cant express my hate? why is it that you feel offended and insulted when I say something about Ataturk, but when you do something agianst the Commands of My Hero and My leader, I cannot be insulted or offended?
Dont be two-sided bro, seriously, it wont get you anywhere.
Czechoslovakia - August 16, 2007 11:37 PM (GMT)
The problem isnt discussing it, the problem is bringing it up in a thread that had no relevance to it, and using that post to also insult the Turkish player.
United Kingdom - August 16, 2007 11:38 PM (GMT)
Sayf, seriously, knock off the personal insults and hijacking threads or resign, it's that simple.
Turkey - August 16, 2007 11:50 PM (GMT)
Check your inbox bro, there should be a pm from like a week or two past there asking for an out-of-scene argument.
As you already know through the recent PM exchange, im always up for political discussion. I have entered many debates defending Ataturk and his beliefs, and i will do so only if it stays in the political realm. You may open a thread in the Political Discussions thread, i will attend that if you manage to put forth your ideas and claim it with logical evidence.
You may hate him, I understand that but this quote really displays your hate in a provocative manner:
|ooc:Turkey, go cry to kemal, listen...|
This is an august 2 dated quote from you. I had asked for you to become more aware of the happenings in the board RPwise, and you replied with this statement.
Im not going to say anything else, i think its pretty clear what im getting at. Im just tired at having repeated myself over and over.
Iraq - August 17, 2007 12:32 AM (GMT)
The only reason I'm mad is for calling Islam a terrorist and why cant he express his expression while you Westerners belief in so called "Freedom of Speech" which inculde even bigger insults to Islam?
Korea - August 17, 2007 01:10 AM (GMT)
There's a Time and Place for everything, friend. You are free to speak freely, so long as you do so in the right places. Also, may i point out that Invisionfree is a Privately-owned Hosting Service, so, contrary to popular belief, you DO NOT have Freedom of Speech.
Just thought i'd mention it, before this freedom of speech thing is considered arguement-worthy material.
Iraq - August 17, 2007 01:18 AM (GMT)
So was Jyllands-Posten a private enterprise but whatever Muslims will never be allowed to express themselves freely unless it does not upset the Westerners.
Syria - August 17, 2007 01:38 AM (GMT)
Yes, I do apologize for that. I shouldnt have said anything in rp designated forums. That I do apolgize for as I have always believed this is just a game and we shouldnt take it to extremes.
I do not, however, apologize for what I said. Those are there and they will stay there.
I checked my inbox and to my surprise, I have stoped commenting about Ataturk havent I?I only said that you live in Saudi Arabia, as a neighbor to the Noble Prophet, you should not be talking like that, thats all I said. You responded by bringing in Ataturk again. Not only that, you also said that terror stems from people like me, that was an insult itself.
I will keep my arguements limited only to these forums and through pm.
Yugoslavia - August 17, 2007 01:46 AM (GMT)
I haven't been following this Islam debate thingy. I have no idea what is going on. :(
Vote 4 Yugoslavia 4 UNSC and we'll bring back the Cold War.
Egypt - August 17, 2007 02:21 AM (GMT)
I have moved the posts regarding this dispute into the administrater discussion section (we can debate about wiether or not it's offensive, but it's obviously off topic). If those involved want to continue the discussion, (if the admins agree to allow it), it will be moved to the political discussion section.
Turkey - August 17, 2007 07:01 PM (GMT)
|QUOTE (Iraq @ Aug 17 2007, 12:32 AM)|
| The only reason I'm mad is for calling Islam a terrorist and why cant he express his expression while you Westerners belief in so called "Freedom of Speech" which inculde even bigger insults to Islam? |
I havent called Islam a terrorist, only if you regard Islam as being a radical religion which advocates to kill as many to cause havoc. The type of Islam that i choose to adhere to is the one goes more openly, that is adhered by most of the Muslims and that goes in the Qur'an. "Go cry to kemal" is hardly expressing a point of view, really. If you express your view like that, then there are some problems with your mental situation.
How does "freedom of speech" insult Islam? The principle does not insult Islam, yet persons may choose to do so. Again, i didn't insult Islam in any way. I'm a Muslim myself, but being so radical about it is against my belief.
|I checked my inbox and to my surprise, I have stoped commenting about Ataturk havent I?I only said that you live in Saudi Arabia, as a neighbor to the Noble Prophet, you should not be talking like that, thats all I said. You responded by bringing in Ataturk again. Not only that, you also said that terror stems from people like me, that was an insult itself.|
Ok im sorry to have missed your official proclamation that you would stop commenting about Ataturk, but isnt it clear that you are taking a personal stance against me for my liberal beliefs? What did I say, anyway, to insult the Noble Prophet? I just said " do this to stop me bitching." Now, perverted minds do draw conclusions pervertedly, but the use of the word "bitch" is a form of expressing disapproval loudly. Do i have to really teach the english language to you?
I said terror stems from fundementalists, and you have chosen to be a fundementalist. You choose your own path. I label fundementalists as "to-be terrorists" while you label Ataturk no better than a dog. I am fine with that, you should be fine with my point of view. However, i have not approached to you " go cry to osama, listen" or any other rude remarks thereof.
I will continue communications through PM to settle this dispute amongst ourselves. I only wish for the posts to be removed.