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The United Nations general assembly meets and discusses issues here.

General Secretary: Gladwyn Jebb of the United Kingdom

resolutions passed:

Egypt proposes that the UN recognize the Republic of Indonesia as an independant nation.

OOC: List of Nations as of 1945 that are in the UN

IC: Yugoslavia seconds Egypt's proposal. Firstly the Netherlands should release Indonesia from their colonial rule.

The resolution has been proposed and endorsed; I will allow for one month of debate before putting this to vote.

I support it.

I propose that Britain's mandate over Palestine be ended with the nation of Transjordan taking over all of it as their nation's borders.

I'm not sure that premature independance would be good for transjordan or palestine as they haven't built up their political or physical infrastructure and the British are playing a large role in doing so. However, I would support the UN requiring progress reports every 3 months and if you agree to change your resolution to this you can consider it endorsed by Egypt.

OOC: Are we just having one thread for the General Assembly?

I object to any premature cessation of the British mandate in Palestine as such a move could have potentially disastrous results.

We are slowly moving towards the creation of the political and economic infrastructure which is so necessary if a stable independent state is to be created out of the territory.

ooc: I think so; however, we'll probebly have a seperate thread for the security council and other UN organizations.

Hasn't the United Kingdom had the past twenty-five years to create that kind of infrastructure? I doubt that you'd be able to, even if you wanted to, create a stable political and economic situation for Palestine. Europe has suffered greatly from fascism, the United Kingdom is not an exception.

OOC: may I suggest for organization's sake, that the UK manage the UN since the UK did have the SG of the UN during this time...

OOC: agreed. But we shoudl actually elect a SG in the nere future.

ooc: that would make the most sense, I'll edit the original post (I'll update resolutions passed since I'm the only one able to) but we should agree on a process to pass resolutions. Would this work?: A resolution is proposed then must be seconded, then is debated for 3 RL days, then voted on for 3RL days.

The delegate from Yugoslavia must understand the war caused a great deal of problems for all areas of the world, including his own. Efforts to establish a stable economy, and to introduce a political system fit for an independent state, as opposed to what was effectively a colony previous to the war, take time and must be respected.

We intend, at some point in the future, to inform the General Assembly of a timetable for independence for the mandate.

OOC: That seems like a good process. I'll say to Will about creating a subforum each for the General Assembly and the Security Council, it would definitely help organise things.

The league of nations mandate expires on the 25th of May, 1946. I assume you will honor that.

I am sure that it was an effective colony, since by it's very definition, a colony's purpose is to feed the mother country.

I am not asking for a set in stone timetable, but by your current estimates, how long until Palestein is given its's own state?

OOC: agreed with egypt's ooc post.

ooc: The establishment of Israel and the subsequent wars are a major part of history (and quite fun for the middle eastern nations :P). Let's agree that it will be established (but, of course it can still be condemned by nations).

We, of course, aim for Transjordan to become independent at the end of the Mandate, and we are working with leaders in Transjordan towards that goal, but we will apply to the UN to have the period of control over Palestine itself extended until a suitable solution can be found for that area which is of satisfaction to all parties involved. Hopefully that will be before the end of the current decade.

Prime Minister Jan Christiaan Smuts, the leader of the South African delegation to the United Nations himself, has prepared a speech for the United Nations General Assembly. Following the less than cordial discussions on Transjordan and the Dutch East Indies, he hoped to make a marked effect on the delegates to the UN. After a last second final read over of the speech text, he stood up before nodding over to the general secretary. He cleared his throat and then began:

“Friends, colleagues, honoured delegates. First let me congratulate each and every one of you for your show of willingness to work together in this increasingly global era. I have dedicated my life to the creation of such an institution, and I was among the first to support the establishment of both the League of Nations and then this fine institution. It is a shame that we had to fight the largest war in human history in order to found an effective global organisation. Hopefully we can make good use of this establishment and prevent such an atrocity from ever reoccurring.

With that said, I would like to direct the General Assembly’s attention towards the South African mandate territory of South-West Africa. Although this institution technically should have no involvement in the affairs of League of Nations mandates, I feel it only right to consult my honourable colleagues in the international community on this issue. As many of you will have already known, the South African government has established a Royal Commission to inquire into the feasibility and popularity of integrating the territory with the rest of South Africa.

When the League of Nations mandate was first established for South-West Africa the esteemed and judicious institution decided that South-West Africa would be best governed under a Class C mandate. This means that the League of Nations and therefore the international community et al considered South-West Africa be "best administered under the laws of the mandatory as integral portions of its territory", in the words of the mandate itself.

My friends, it would therefore be a corrupt and unfair practice to deny the citizens of South-West Africa equal representation in the South African government and thus achieve apposite integration. This is why my government has been so keen to integrate South-West Africa effectively and fully with South Africa. However, as we live in a democratic society and under the rules of civilised practice, I will not due so unless the Royal Commission finds acceptable levels of support for integration among the South-West African populace.

For those reasons, I come before this brand new international body with the hope that it will maintain true to it’s Charter and promote democracy and fairness. This can only be achieved if they consent to the integration of South-West Africa with South Africa. Otherwise the relationship mirrors one of master and servant, and is contrary to the objectives of this institution.”

The government of Indonesia requests that the UN recognizes Indonesian independence and sovereignty, and also requests that the government of the Netherlands honor this request.

I vote yes.

The government of Indonesia thanks their Iraqi comrades for their show of support and solidarity. May it be known that the government of Iraq was the first to vote 'yes' for recognization of the independent and sovereign Republic of Indonesia.

His Canadian Majesty's Government would like to submit the following proposal to the consideration of the General Assembly:

On the question of Indonesian independence, we believe that this is a matter which concerns the Security Council, under Chapter VI of the Charter. We propose that it be referred to the Security Council as soon as its six non-permanent members shall have been elected.

We fully support our Indonesian brothers but we have already introduced such a resolution; and there are still two weeks of debate left before it goes to vote.

Egypt seconds canadas proposal.

to South Africa: What is the opinion of the south-west african residents on this issue?

I vote yes to Canada's proposal.

Voting is now underway on Egypts resolution:

The UN recognize the Republic of Indonesia as an independant nation. The Duth and Indonesians are strongly advised by the general assembly to meet and discuss the specifics of independance. Any attempt by the Netherlands to recolonize will be seen as an act of war.

Egypt, or course, votes yes.

Aye.

OOC: isn't is supposed to be the Netherlands and not Belgium?

Aye.

Can we remind the honourable delegates that the General Assembly does not have the power to make a binding resolution, and the only institution that does have that authority is the United Nations Security Council.

ooc: oops, I'll edit the resolution

ic: This resolution is non binding but we strongly encourage a member of the security council to adopt this resolution and push it through as binding.

OOC: What year is it? If its not 1949 yet, we've definitely made a breakthrough.

ooc: november 1945, it should be expected that things move quickly, as the first few years after WW2 are fairly uneventful.

As this clearly is an issue that is likely to endanger the maintenance of international peace and security, this is a matter for the Security Council. Therefore, we move that the resolution be amended so that it refers the question to the Security Council.

Furthermore, we'd like to argue that the General Assembly doesn't have the authority to recognise nations. The closest to recognition is admission to the United Nations as a member state, which is also a process that must be initiated by the Security Council.

We strongly oppose the two motions as it would set a precedent of irrelevance for the general assembly.

ooc: can an admin move this thread to the new forum we got for the general assembly?