Title: Chat - Wednesday, March 14, 2012
Description: Foggy in RI
amethyst - March 14, 2012 12:32 PM (GMT)
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE!!!!!
Wishing all a great mid-work-week day......
LBtheScot - March 14, 2012 12:35 PM (GMT)
I just heard that an Indian tribe in Wyoming is going to be allowed to kill a certain number of bald eagles!!
I am shocked and horrified after all the hard work that has gone into keeping these majestic birds alive.
There must be something that can be done.
lakemaryeaglewatcher - March 14, 2012 12:37 PM (GMT)
Good morning. Can't believe I'm the first one this morning. Will be leaving shortly for the job site. More insulation today. Am getting pretty good at it. :D
Went for a walk at 6:30 this morning. Foggy and wet. :o Hard to get used to the humidity. The birds were singing away so that part was enjoyable.
Off to work. Hope everyone has a good day. :}^
Naturegal - March 14, 2012 12:40 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (LBtheScot @ Mar 14 2012, 08:35 AM) |
I just heard that an Indian tribe in Wyoming is going to be allowed to kill a certain number of bald eagles!!
I am shocked and horrified after all the hard work that has gone into keeping these majestic birds alive.
There must be something that can be done. |
That is horrible, where did you hear this news? :8O:
amethyst - March 14, 2012 12:41 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (LBtheScot @ Mar 14 2012, 05:35 AM) |
I just heard that an Indian tribe in Wyoming is going to be allowed to kill a certain number of bald eagles!!
I am shocked and horrified after all the hard work that has gone into keeping these majestic birds alive.
There must be something that can be done. |
Me too! It is in our local Projo, my DH pointed it out to me. Sanctioned murder of eagles for "religious purpose"* (as stated in the paper*)
Naturegal - March 14, 2012 12:43 PM (GMT)
NEST NEWS.........

SOONER LAKE........................................................................CAROLINA...............

THIS MORNING AT NORFOLK :wub: .......................

DECORAH..............................................................................ALCOA/DAVENPORT...........

SEQUOYAH...........................................................................WHITE ROCK..................
amethyst - March 14, 2012 12:47 PM (GMT)
...we have just a few words on it...
National News
The US Fish and Wildlife Service has taken the unusual step of issuing a permit allowing an American Indian tribe in Wyoming to kill two bald eagles for religious purposes.
From the Providence Journal
amethyst - March 14, 2012 12:48 PM (GMT)
...I don't understand why they don't just allow them to have feathers from any that have died of natural causes???????
amethyst - March 14, 2012 12:52 PM (GMT)
...looks like they really connected :wub: at Norfolk :P
adklaurie - March 14, 2012 01:22 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (amethyst @ Mar 14 2012, 07:47 AM) |
...we have just a few words on it...
National News
The US Fish and Wildlife Service has taken the unusual step of issuing a permit allowing an American Indian tribe in Wyoming to kill two bald eagles for religious purposes.
From the Providence Journal |
:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
No really Laurie tell us how you really feel. This is disgusting beyond words.....
Artsy Mom - March 14, 2012 01:26 PM (GMT)
Good Morning :<<o>>: Peeps
This is Maddie the coonhound. She likes standing on things :P

She travels across the US with her owner Theron Humphrey who photographs her amazing balancing skills.
See more at Maddie on Things :lol:
Naturegal - March 14, 2012 01:38 PM (GMT)
<::: Definitely an egg on the Sandhill Crane nest...This is a photo taken off the internet
to show you what it looks like. I will try to get a real photo when they are up, did see her
roll the egg this morning but didn't have my camera handy.
Artsy Mom - March 14, 2012 01:41 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (amethyst @ Mar 14 2012, 07:47 AM) |
| The US Fish and Wildlife Service has taken the unusual step of issuing a permit allowing an American Indian tribe in Wyoming to kill two bald eagles for religious purposes. |
How did this one tribe get permission to do this when everybody else has to get their feathers from the National Eagle Repository in CO? This is outrageous :hair: :angry: You can just see this decision opening the floodgates for more of the same from all over the country and you know that 'religious purposes' is a sham...it's probably really for dance costumes so people can win big $$$ at Pow Wows :angry: :hair: :angry:
I wonder if there is a place to vent opposition to this :wacko: decision by the US Fish and Wildlife Service :unsure:
jeannec - March 14, 2012 01:54 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (LBtheScot @ Mar 14 2012, 08:35 AM) |
I just heard that an Indian tribe in Wyoming is going to be allowed to kill a certain number of bald eagles!!
I am shocked and horrified after all the hard work that has gone into keeping these majestic birds alive.
There must be something that can be done. |
OMG that is horrible!!!!! I thought the Federal Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act protected them??
Artsy Mom - March 14, 2012 01:54 PM (GMT)
Carole I wonder what the size difference is between the crane egg and an :<<o>>: :egg: ?
Good luck getting a :clk: of it without getting too close :X:

Image Bet Zimmerman
ojailala - March 14, 2012 02:09 PM (GMT)
Here's the story:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46729054/ns/us...t/#.T2CfRhxnGzAI don't mind that the indian tribes are allowed to obtain feathers for their ceremonial dances, rituals, whatever... but this is an outrage!!! We have to do something...
amethyst - March 14, 2012 02:12 PM (GMT)
Online Article Regarding the Eagle Kill Permit Story
I have not read the full story here but will right now...just saw that it has so much more info....
(I posted this by mistake on NO... :rolleyes: )
adklaurie - March 14, 2012 02:16 PM (GMT)
I agree Lala - this just makes me sick. . .
ojailala - March 14, 2012 02:19 PM (GMT)
You can read the 351 comments on this story... but you might get even madder by doing so.. some people just don't get it!!!... I suggest we all copy and paste this story and send to any and all animal rescue groups that we can think of.... with a note of outrage attached...
They can murder our National Symbol... but I am fined $50,000 for being in possession a feather that drops naturally??? What fools running this world....
petra - March 14, 2012 02:31 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ojailala @ Mar 14 2012, 06:19 AM) |
You can read the 351 comments on this story... but you might get even madder by doing so.. some people just don't get it!!!... I suggest we all copy and paste this story and send to any and all animal rescue groups that we can think of.... with a note of outrage attached...
They can murder our National Symbol... but I am fined $50,000 for being in possession a feather that drops naturally??? What fools running this world.... |
AGREE LALA
THIS IS DISCUSTING
HORRIBLE .....
)(_()*i(*&*^&%$$#
:'( :'( :'(
lmorton2001 - March 14, 2012 02:32 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ojailala @ Mar 14 2012, 08:19 AM) |
You can read the 351 comments on this story... but you might get even madder by doing so.. some people just don't get it!!!... I suggest we all copy and paste this story and send to any and all animal rescue groups that we can think of.... with a note of outrage attached...
They can murder our National Symbol... but I am fined $50,000 for being in possession a feather that drops naturally??? What fools running this world.... |
Oh, I SO agree with this! A quote from the MSNBC story:
"I've not heard of a take permit for a bald eagle," Steve Moore, lawyer with the Native American Rights Fund in Boulder, Colo., said Tuesday.
"I see it and NARF would see it as a legitimate expression of sovereignty by the tribe, and respect for that sovereignty by the Fish and Wildlife Service," he added.
Hopefully I won't offend anyone here, but so many Native American tribes play the sovereignty card when it is convenient for them - often when someone has done or wants to do something that is illegal by US standards - but they sure aren't sovereign when it comes to holding their hands out for federal funds or other things they want from the US government.
Naturegal - March 14, 2012 02:33 PM (GMT)
<::: HERE'S THE SANDHILL EGG :egg: 
petra - March 14, 2012 02:37 PM (GMT)
WOW NICE CAROLE
(i'm very busy at the "beleef de lente" site too to watch birdies etc)
Artsy Mom - March 14, 2012 02:38 PM (GMT)
Carole that is an awesome :clk:!!!
Are you going to be there when the :^: hatches?
marshaz - March 14, 2012 02:49 PM (GMT)
GOOD MORNING EAGLE FRIENDS. IT'S HARD TO BE CHEERFUL WITH NEWS LIKE THAT ABOUT THE NATIVE TRIBE BEING ALLOWED TO KILL 2 BALD EAGLES.
IT'S IRONIC, BECAUSE I THOUGHT NATIVE PEOPLES APPRECIATED WILDLIFE MORE THAN THIS!!!!!!!!!
I LEARNED BACK WHEN I WENT TO THE INTERVIEW ON THE INDIAN RESERVATION, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THE SAME FEDERAL RULES AND REGULATIONS AS OTHER INSTITUTIONS. LINDA, YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!!!!!
adklaurie - March 14, 2012 02:50 PM (GMT)
Carole :)^ :)^ :><: :><: :^:
SoCal Lady - March 14, 2012 02:57 PM (GMT)
GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY....
:D :D :D
jeannec - March 14, 2012 02:57 PM (GMT)
Contact the Wyoming senators:
Sen. John Barrasso
E-mail:
E-mail contact form for Sen. BarrassoPhone: (202) 224-6441 (Wash DC office)
Sen. Mike Enzi
E-mail:
E-mail contact form for Sen. EnziPhone: (202) 224-3424 (Wash DC office)
Contact FWS:
Region 6 Fish, Wildlife Service office:
E-mail: MountainPrairie@fws.gov
Phone: (303) 236-7905
marshaz - March 14, 2012 03:04 PM (GMT)
OH THANKS JEANNE, I JUST WENT TO THE US FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE PAGE AND SAW A CUSTOMER SERVICE CONTACT NUMBER, BUT THIS IS EVEN BETTER. WELL FOLKS, WE ALL HAVE A JOB TO DO!!!!
chiquita - March 14, 2012 03:05 PM (GMT)
Jeannec...Thanks for the contacts...sure hope it helps.
Chiquita
Artsy Mom - March 14, 2012 03:09 PM (GMT)
Lala this is what I've just posted in the comments section of that story. We need to start a petition!!
"This is just unbelieveable!!! The Gov't protects Bald Eagles and now they give permission for one tribe to 'take' 2???? How many other tribes are going to jump on the bandwagon after the floodgates are opened? Every year many eagles end up in rehab after being shot and maimed to the point where they can never again be released into the wild. Only 50% of young eaglets ever make it to maturity as it is. If people are 'allowed' to run around shooting at eagles to get the two they need, how can it even be allowed to occur?
The bald eagles are currently laying eggs in many nests around the country. Some of them already have hatchlings in their nests. If an adult from a nesting pair is killed, then the likelihood is their eaglet(s) will not survive to fledging. This decision is the worst thing I have ever heard made by the people who are supposed to be the overseers of a National symbol and protected species. If this is how they conduct business as usual their mandate should be removed and they should be replaced by an agency that has the welfare of the birds and animals at their forefront.
I also have a huge issue with the 'religious purposes' excuse because it seems many tribes have 'adopted' this custom and need the feathers for powwow dance costumes, which was not at all a tradition of early Indian tribes in the US and Canada.
Where do I sign a petition against this decision?"
SoCal Lady - March 14, 2012 03:18 PM (GMT)
FROM THE ARTICLE:
Wyoming tribe gets rare permit to kill bald eagles
The agency's decision comes after the Northern Arapaho Tribe in Wyoming filed a federal lawsuit last year contending the refusal to issue such permits violates tribal members' religious freedom. Although thousands of American Indians apply for eagle feathers and carcasses from a federal repository, permits allowing the killing of bald eagles are exceedingly rare, according to both tribal and legal experts on the matter.
IMHO....
U.S. Fish and Wildlife are COWARDS! Instead of fighting this in the Courts--they just bow down....this is SO WRONG!!!
I agree with IMORTON/LINDA:
"Hopefully I won't offend anyone here, but so many Native American tribes play the sovereignty card when it is convenient for them - often when someone has done or wants to do something that is illegal by US standards - but they sure aren't sovereign when it comes to holding their hands out for federal funds or other things they want from the US government."
LINDA- [B]You certainly do not offend me!
[/B]JEANNE--THANK YOU FOR THE CONTACTS!!!
ojailala - March 14, 2012 03:22 PM (GMT)
Excellent Penny... Am using the addresses that Jeanne posted too...
SoCal Lady - March 14, 2012 03:26 PM (GMT)
CAROLE..GREAT PICTURES OF THE EGG IN SANDHILL NEST...Will you be staying long enough for the exciting :hatch: and :^: day?
SoCal Lady - March 14, 2012 03:33 PM (GMT)
I have to get moving, but I will be using JEANNE'S contacts, later this morning. U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE INFURIATE ME JUST AS MUCH AS THIS TRIBE!!
I am just sickened by this ....I just went back to my newspaper and saw the article in our paper too.
:angry: :angry: :angry:
chiquita - March 14, 2012 03:42 PM (GMT)
Imagine how Dr. Sharpe must feel about this.
Chiquita
Artsy Mom - March 14, 2012 03:47 PM (GMT)
Jeanne I just sent slightly altered versions of my comments to both Senators and to the Mountain Prairie region of the FWS who made that ridiculous decision. I had to fudge on the forms because of course they had zip codes and States as required fields. I put in North Dakota because they are the closest but used our former California zip code because I knew it...and it worked :D
I added this to them:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46729054/#.T2C1axybFwc
"This story about the USFWS making a decision to allow the killing of Bald Eagles was posted today. As a member of the IWS Bald Eagle restoration program on the Channel Islands in California, this decision came as a total blindside to the sensibilities of all the people working to establish successful breeding pairs of bald eagles as they rebound from near extinction.
Please prevent this terrible decision to allow open season on bald eagles. Just because they were removed from the endangered list does not mean they need to become a hunted species. They need to be protected, not persecuted."
Anybody want to start a petition? Maybe on FB?
quiltingal1 - March 14, 2012 03:52 PM (GMT)
I don't understand why this tribe can't get what they need from the federal repository in Colorado.
LinDA
amethyst - March 14, 2012 04:49 PM (GMT)
This contact info was posted over at the Eagles Cam Addicts FB page:
If you are upset about the Northern Arapaho Nation tribe receiving a permit to kill two bald eagles, you can express your displeasure by calling Donovan Antelope, the tribes PR officer. (307) 332- 6120 or (307) 856-3461
Artsy Mom - March 14, 2012 04:58 PM (GMT)
Linda I don't believe that harrassing ;<> calls to a single person are going to help anything.
Too easy to leave the phone off the hook :P
Any member of a tribe that took the FWS to court over their sovereign rights is not going to bow to pressure from phone calls JMHO