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petra - June 7, 2006 09:29 PM (GMT)
why so long that bird holding in his arms....
poor animal was so afraid.....so leave him/her go and don't be
as human being populair in front of the camera....

put that animal on the nest and go....

no he must hold him/her for a while
very very adult man.....

yeck


and why was the search so long ??
how do you think you feel as men or women when it happends you ???

search ok but not like this way...


not normal...


petra
p.g.j.martens@casema.nl

petra - June 8, 2006 06:39 PM (GMT)
hello everybody

i wrote the biologist and i have a explain how they're have working with "our" bird...
they've just taken time to do everything so calm as possible to have the bird calm enough....he/she felt asleep.....brilliant....

thank you annie for explonaition....

gr. petra

Raptorman - June 8, 2006 07:05 PM (GMT)
Petra: The fact that you show obvious care for the eaglet's welfare is wonderful. Now if I could offer some advice for you and others that might "over worry" for the birds' welfare. The people working with these birds have the upmost respect and interest in the birds welfare. To be successful they must have that level of commitment. Being gentle and calm is very important to reduce stress to these wild birds. Occasionally firmness is also needed with speed to prevent injury to the birds and themselves. But often with raptors patients and calm is best.

You will also find that patients and calmness usually keeps viewers calm. You can assist greatly in the experience of viewers to this site by practicing faith in the people presenting this site and the field workers, biologists and technicians doing their jobs with the highest level of professionalism.

There are many more days of viewing and talking about these birds ahead. Some will contain greater levels of risk to the birds than others. This is nature at work with us humans attempting to assist when possible and learn. Part of the journey involves risk and danger. That is life. So if you can assist by showing others the value of patients and calmness that effort won't go unrewarded.

Enjoy the experience and I look forward to your new role as well as your questions. Bill :)

Guest - June 8, 2006 07:39 PM (GMT)
Raptorman, will the branding not affect his flight. Looks awfully big on his wing!

petra - June 8, 2006 07:52 PM (GMT)
Hello Bill

i've saw the video and i've explaination from Annie Little and i know now how carefully and gentle they're working with "our" eagle....

i was a little angry about it but i've learned....first asking then bla bla hahaha i've not learned yet.....my father tell me often first thinking than reacting ok ok ....(and that with the age of 45)
i can be also angry on the tv there's a man who's fisshing i thought on discovery and he hold for a very long time the fish out of the water just to show that poor fish for the camera.......ooohhh.....

but the eagle (is it a she or he ??) has stolen my and others hart...

here in the netherlands there are sea eagles to sinds years with babies but they don't know how many....

if i know more news i put it here on the forum.....

i know now "our" eagle is in very good hands......

till next time and thanks for your answer

gr. petra
p.g.j.martens@casema.nl

Guest - June 8, 2006 07:52 PM (GMT)
Also wondering if the parents will not abandon him because of this branding? Thanks for any help.

Raptorman - June 8, 2006 08:50 PM (GMT)
To be slightly picky the process is called banding not branding. Although banding is perminent it is certainly not a disfigurement of the eaglets (or other birds) foot.

The tagging does involve an invasive process but has been in practice for many years. It will not impead any flight capabilities as exampled by many other Balds success and those of A49's parents which are tagged. The parents have a very stong bond to their territory, the nest tree and the eaglets these above process is not normally sufficient cause for abandonment. The adults have seen taggs on their mates and will possibly be slightly uneasy about the "change" in their eaglet there are other factor that will far outweigh refusal to continue to care for the eaglet. Unique voice recongnition in itself would be a huge supporter of the bond between A49 and his parents.

Petra: We all often react with our "beaks" when maybe our minds are better capable of dealing with the issue. :lol: I am not familiar with any sea eagle species in the Netherlands but look forward to hearing more about them from you. Bill :)

gizzmonorma - June 10, 2006 03:32 PM (GMT)
I'm watching from Carpinteria CA...just across the Santa Barbara Channel.

Thank you Raptorman for all the useful info that you've provided not only on this site but the Victoria/Sidney site as well.

Many thanks to all the folks involved in presenting this live cam. What a wonderful opportunity to see the hatchling developing in it's environment. I for one am glad to see the restoration of these as well as other large birds to Southern California. The caring efforts of so few can really make a difference.

I've learned a lot and have developed a greater appreciation for these beautiful creatures.

Norma
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ElaineRuth - June 10, 2006 08:10 PM (GMT)
I have seen many references (on this board and others) to other eagle web cams in the world (Sidney?). How can I go about getting the URLs or links to these other eagle cams as well?
Thanks
;)

gizzmonorma - June 11, 2006 06:58 AM (GMT)
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I have seen many references (on this board and others) to other eagle web cams in the world (Sidney?). How can I go about getting the URLs or links to these other eagle cams as well?
Thanks



Hi ElaineRuth:

Eagle Eye Cam
If for some reason your links are disabled, here is the site address: http://www.infotecbusinesssystems.com/wildlife/default.asp

This is a great site located in the Victoria BC area. I used the reference on the web cam page (Victoria/Sidney), however after further digging the actual location of the nest is Saanich, Vancouver Island, B.C., Canada. This is the 2nd nest they set up, the first nest failed to hatch.

Check out the Forum under Eagle Discussion, you will find a sticky called Ask Raptorman and others???. It's loaded with great information. Settle down with a big cup of coffee, you'll spend hours reading! B)

There are 2 hatchlings in this nest. A lot of observations and commentary have been made on the behavior of these birds as siblings. Very interesting!

Norma
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amalphia - June 11, 2006 05:06 PM (GMT)
http://www.eaglecam.org/ This one has links to Maine and Massachusetts nests along with Peregrine Falcons in Pennsylvania and others... There are 5 Falcon young and they are a noisy bunch who will soon be fledging!

http://www.lbv-eichstaett.de/storch/cam/storchcam2.htm Stork nest in Bavaria...

http://www.storchennest.de/en/index_live-video.html Stork nest in Germany (these parents lost both of their natural hatchlings recently but are now fostering another who lost one of its parents to an auto collision and the other parent would not have been able to care for it alone)....

Hope these links help and that I'm not stepping on anyone's toes here.... Please delete this post if I am! :)

bambeeson2 - June 11, 2006 06:31 PM (GMT)
No stepping as far as I'm concerned! We're all nature and animal lovers here, and the more links to interesting sites, the better! Once these message boards get up and running and more people learn about them, the more topics there are and it's hard to know just where to speak what's on your mind and post what's pertinent info in the correct spot! So wherever I happenstance on something interesting or helpful, I'm just happy I found it! Thanks for the links...going stork watching right now! Becki

ElaineRuth - June 11, 2006 11:04 PM (GMT)
Thanks to you both for posting these links!
:P

Mrs. C - June 13, 2006 06:18 PM (GMT)
June 13, 2:05PM EDT (Northern Panhandle, WV)

I have been watching this little guy for quite some time and watching kids at http://www.nwf.org/wildlife/baldeagle/webcam.cfm grow as well.

Each time the nwf kids would argue, you couldn't help but be glad they had each other for company. Felt kinda bad this little one was alone. On the other hand, that sibling rivalry...well its for the birds !

Thank you all for making this possible :)


Raptorman - June 13, 2006 06:36 PM (GMT)
Many eaglets because of hatchability issues as well as fratricide/siblicide are without a nestmate. Just like many humans don't have siblings. I'm not sure it is cause for pity. Under certain conditions nature dictates the rate of survival. Bill :)

Mrs. C - June 13, 2006 06:53 PM (GMT)
No pity... just loved keeping the 'ole eagle eye on the kids :rolleyes:

petra_guest - June 13, 2006 07:17 PM (GMT)
hello everyone

"our" eagle make a try to fly

ooh how big he is than and beautyfull (my kermie.....i like that name for him)

when does he leave his nest :huh:



have a nice day


petra

amalphia - June 13, 2006 08:42 PM (GMT)
Hi, Petra!

Dr. Sharp posted the following on another thread here:
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Eagle Guy Posted: Jun 8 2006, 10:06 PM-
We expect the chick to start flying in about 3-4 weeks. They will generally remain in their parents' territory for about a month before starting to explore the island. Feedings should take place at the nest and anywhere else they eaglet can get the adults to drop him food.

Because the pair will have been successful this season, I fully expect them to remain together and breed again next season. We have already found a new location for the eagle cam that should provide an even better view of the nesting activity, so hopefully they'll reuse this nest.-Peter Sharpe, Institute for Wildlife Studies, Bald Eagle Restoration Project

petra_guest - June 13, 2006 09:35 PM (GMT)
thanks amalphia for this answer....

i enjoy it when he flow/flew (?) out

almost every day i trie to look at them when they're awakening..than it is here about 14.00 o'clock

i also look at the nest on vancouver with the 2 babies...

very beautifull....

ok have a nice day
i'm almost going to bed

bye bye

petra

ElaineRuth - June 14, 2006 12:10 AM (GMT)
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We have already found a new location for the eagle cam that should provide an even better view of the nesting activity,


wouldn't it be great if it had sound, too? ;) ;)

Steve91360 - June 14, 2006 07:41 PM (GMT)
The wind is HOWELINGGGGG @ Santa Cruz. I am sure the little bugger is seeing white caps. /O.EXB.KLOX.SC.Y.0063.060614T2200Z-060615T0800Z/
EAST SANTA BARBARA CHANNEL FROM PT. CONCEPTION TO PT. MUGU INCLUDING
SANTA CRUZ AND ANACAPA ISLANDS-
908 AM PDT WED JUN 14 2006


SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 3 PM PDT THIS AFTERNOON
THROUGH LATE TONIGHT

Steve

amalphia - June 14, 2006 10:42 PM (GMT)
Appx. 6:40 p.m. Eastern time.... I see that the nest and trees are all rockin' and rollin' in the winds yet! Eaglet is alone and standing up at the moment, just looking around.

Misty 07_guest - June 15, 2006 02:38 AM (GMT)
! Is it raining as well as blowing? I thought it might be my computer until I read these posts. He sure is hunkered down and I hope hanging on for dear life. Maybe his parents are nearby watching and also trying not to get blown away. Poor little fella. My picture keeps flashing. Is that my computer or the wind affecting the cam? I will worry all night until the cam goes back on in the AM. I feel better just talking to myself in this post. I'll watch him till the cam goes off. Some nice things about being retired. He had lots to eat today. I think his mother drops the food to him. He has a very up-to-date Mr Mom though. He is good at housekeeping too. It's 10:30 PM Ontario time.

Misty 07

peppermint - June 15, 2006 04:33 AM (GMT)
Misty,

Not raining....just howling wind today....actually a hot wind.

Eagle Guy - June 15, 2006 05:13 AM (GMT)
I noticed the image flashing white in the evening last night. It is caused by the sun on the camera lens. which is facing westward. There are branches blowing that intermittently let the sun shine directly on the lens which causes the brightening of the image.

It was very windy on Santa Cruz today. The boat ride to the mainland was a bit rough.

Peter Sharpe
Institute for Wildlife Studies
Bald Eagle Restoration Program

Misty 07 - June 15, 2006 02:01 PM (GMT)
! Thank you Eagle Guy for the explanation of the sun and wind on the camera lens. I was happy to find the chick safe and sound this AM.

I have a question. Maybe I am not in the correct place to ask this question. To me when this chick stands or sits he seems to be much taller and have more of a slim body than the BC chicks. My understanding is chick 49 is an American Bald Eagle. Is that correct? What type of breed (?) or name would the BC chicks come under?

I started watching the Hornby Island nest with that beautiful eagle couple.

I have been watching very closely the Saanich BC project but am more interested in following through with the restoration program of the Santa Cruz Eagles. Was there a report given on the check-up of baby 49? If so, where would I find it?

I HAVE to now spend an hour doing housework but I will be back.

Misty 07

helen b. - June 20, 2006 07:51 PM (GMT)
I've been watching "little one" since the beginning, but I'm not familiar with some of the words you are using. What does "mantlilng" mean? And what about "Crop" or "Croping?" Thanks for your patience. I learn quickly. :rolleyes:

gizzmonorma - June 20, 2006 09:54 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (helen b. @ Jun 20 2006, 11:51 AM)
I've been watching "little one" since the beginning, but I'm not familiar with some of the words you are using.  What does "mantlilng" mean?  And what about "Crop" or "Croping?"  Thanks for your patience.  I learn quickly. :rolleyes:

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helen b wrote: I've been watching "little one" since the beginning, but I'm not familiar with some of the words you are using. What does "mantlilng" mean? And what about "Crop" or "Croping?" Thanks for your patience. I learn quickly.


Hi Helen B:

Your questions have some good answers that have been posted in another forum for a live cam on a Bald Eagle nest in Vancouver BC. I've been watching both nests for some time. Instead of me coping or trying to rehash what has already been written, I'll send you to the source through hot links.

The Vancouver nest has 2 eaglets, so mantling comes in handy for one to hide their lunch from the other. There is also a link in the referred posting of video from this live cam of one of these 2 eaglets mantling.

Mantling behavior posting

The crop is an expanding sack area at the neck that holds food to be digested later, sort of like a chipmunk who carries nuts & etc in it's cheeks. The following link is into the same forum topic as above but posted much earlier. It's a great drawing of a falcon's digestive tract with some explainations.

Digestive Diagram

If you are really interested and have the time, this is one of the best informative forums I have run across. There is a wealth of knowledge in this forum, you might want to bookmark this forum and read through it. These links are in the topic Eagle Discussion, sticky Ask Raptorman and others.

The web site to view these eaglets in Vancouver is Eagle Eye Cam

You can also enter this forum from the Live Cam page.

Happy Birding!

Norma

Raptorman - June 20, 2006 11:53 PM (GMT)
Norma: Thanks for making that post. For some reason the link regarding mantling doesn't work (for me). Would you mind verifying it. I stopped by earlier today but couldn't remember of find my and AJL's posts on these two topics. I've written too much lately :lol: So thanks for offering this help.

I sincerly hope this site doesn't mind the references to the Saanich nest and forum. We only wish to share what has been experienced there and combine it with what is being experiened here for a greater understanding of the birds and yet the uniquness of the 3 invididual eagles and the 4 adults. This site has a uniquness of not being over run and clogged down. The Saanich site is almost being buried in its own success. So enjoy that situation. Bill :)

gizzmonorma - June 21, 2006 12:13 AM (GMT)
Oh! :unsure: Bill, Thanks for the catch on the html error! Oh well, it shows we're not always perfect. It's working now. Actually, it's to Redbud's post on p43, I used that referral because of the link to the video clip that showes the mantling behavior.

I certainly hope they don't mind the referral to all the hard work you've put into the other forum. I'm not telling anyone they shouldn't be in this one, both are fun, but let's face it, you don't have time to double post and the other forum is fantastic. There are enough links in this forum to other live cam sites already, so I hope that no ones ego is twisted because your forum took off and went somewhere. I think if it's out there everyone deserves to know it's existance if they choose to learn.

If these folks don't like it, I guess they'll have to slap my hand and ask me to remove the post. :(

Happy Birding!

Norma

helen b. - June 21, 2006 02:33 AM (GMT)
Hi Norma;

Thanks for your answers on "mantling" and "cropping." Very helpful and educational.

One more question? How are viewers able to determine the father from the mother? They look the same to me, but I did see the two of them at the edge of the nest sometime last week. I actually thought I was seeing a reflection until one of them flew off.

Thanks again.




Bea - June 21, 2006 03:04 AM (GMT)
Hi Helen,
Both parents are tagged like the chick, except their tags are red. They have numbers on them (K10 is the male, K26 is the female).
Sometimes you can clearly make out the numbers, other times it's not so easy.
The following link may answer some of your questions as well, if you have not seen it yet:

http://chil.vcoe.org/eagle_cam.htm


Bea

helen b. - June 21, 2006 03:29 AM (GMT)
Hi Bea:

Thanks for your quick response. I thought both parents wore the same number, kind of a couple type thing. You learn something new every day, huh?

Thanks, everyone, for a very educational day. Makes my future viewing a lot more understandable.

Good night, all.

gizzmonorma - June 21, 2006 05:51 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (helen b. @ Jun 20 2006, 06:33 PM)
Hi Norma;

Thanks for your answers on "mantling" and "cropping."  Very helpful and educational. 

One more question?  How are viewers able to determine the father from the mother?  They look the same to me, but I did see the two of them at the edge of the nest sometime last week.  I actually thought I was seeing a reflection until one of them flew off. 

Thanks again.

Another way to tell, if you happen to be looking at a pair that are not tagged, the female tends to be somewhat larger than the male. Measuring from the head to the tip of the tail an adult female is 35 to 37 in. long with wingspan of 72 to 90 in. Where as the adult male is 30 to 34 in. from head to tip of the tail with a wingspan of 72 to 85 in. Sometimes it's difficult to tell through the camera but check out the wing tag numbers on this pair while comparing the size of each bird. You may notice the female is slightly larger and fuller while the male is slightly smaller and narrower.

Happy Birding and Cheers to the return of the Bald Eagle to Santa Cruz Island!

Norma
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Raptorman - June 21, 2006 06:23 AM (GMT)
Helen: On the home page for this webcam there is some great imformation and links to various topics of interest to eagle viewers. There is also a running question and answer format for FAQ and it is updated by the gal that moderates this forum. All valuable topics to help paint a complete picture for eagle viewers. Bill :)

helen b. - June 21, 2006 06:10 PM (GMT)
Hi Bill:

Yes, I had seen the "FAQ" which was very informative. My problem was I'm such a novice at this and didn't understand some of the terminalogy.

Add to that, I haven't been on a computer since 1994, so you can imagine what difficulty I'm having finding things and communicating with people (plus I still can't quite figure how to transfer those happy faces - smille). Is there another area I can go to where Annie Little has provided more information, or more question/answer areas?

You guys have all been so great, and helpful. Thanks.

Raptorman - June 21, 2006 09:36 PM (GMT)
Helen: You are doing fine. Just list the words you need to learn and we will attempt to define them for you. Actually having a good terminology page is a good idea. You can help us by starting a list. Bill :)

By the way to post a certain smilie (emoticon) simple place your cursor were you want the little character and click on the characters image over on the left :rolleyes: :ph43r: ;) . The best way to learn is play around. You can't do any harm. We can teach you some pretty cool computer magic. All you need is to want to learn it. B) :wub:

helen b. - June 21, 2006 11:25 PM (GMT)


#49 is the greatest :P

(and I've learned my smilies - thanks Bill)

:huh: ;) :angry: :lol: :rolleyes: :) :wub:

Anibird - June 22, 2006 01:32 AM (GMT)
Hi Helen,

It may be a bit tricky to find the "Questions" forum. You will need to go back to the opening page of the discussion forum at the "CHIL Eaglecam" link above. Once you are there, scroll down and then you will see the Questions forum. If you are not used to a computer, you may have missed this forum since it is not readily visible on the screen. Here you will find many more questions and answers.

But feel free to ask any questions that you can't find the answer for! ;)


helen b. - June 22, 2006 05:32 AM (GMT)

Hi Annie:

Thanks for referring me to the Question Forum. I've spent this evening reviewing all of the questions and answers listed so far, and it's quite helpful. I had been wondering what access we would have to #49 once he flew the coop, and the answer was already there.

I'm not sure what section I should be putting this into, but maybe you can forward my thoughts to the appropriate people. I have written two "thank you" articles to the News Press here in Santa Barbara, wanting to let everyone involved with this project know how much their time and work is appreciated. The newspaper has not seen fit to print my thanks, so here it is from me to all of you.

#49 and the entire crew are TRULY AWESOME!!!!!!! B)




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